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Let α \alpha , β \beta and c c be positive numbers each less than 1, with c c rational and α \alpha , β \beta irrational. Select which of the results must be irrational :

  • A: The number α + β \alpha + \beta .
  • B: The infinite sum i = 0 α c i \displaystyle \sum_{i=0}^{\infty} \alpha c^i
  • C: The value of the integral 0 π ( β cos ( x ) + c ) d x \displaystyle \int_0^{\pi} \left( \beta \cos(x) + c \right) \,dx

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All the options are wrong Only B Only A A, B and C B and C A and B A and C Only C

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Tapas Mazumdar
Mar 21, 2017

(A) \large \text{(A)}

Consider α = 2 1 \alpha = \sqrt{2}-1 and β = 2 2 \beta = 2-\sqrt{2} , then both α \alpha and β \beta are irrational but α + β = 1 \alpha + \beta = 1 is rational (note that 0 < α , β < 1 0 < \alpha, \beta < 1 is also true in this example).

Given one counterexample, statement (A) is definitely not true for all cases.

(B) \large \text{(B)}

Since c < 1 |c| < 1 , so we have

i = 0 α c i = α i = 0 c i = α ( 1 1 c ) \displaystyle \sum_{i=0}^{\infty} \alpha c^i = \alpha \sum_{i=0}^{\infty} c^i = \alpha \left( \dfrac{1}{1-c} \right)

Now, 1 1 c Q \dfrac{1}{1-c} \in \mathbb{Q} and 1 1 c 0 \dfrac{1}{1-c} \neq 0 for any 0 < c < 1 0<c<1 and c Q c \in \mathbb{Q} . Therefore, since α \alpha is irrational, so α ( 1 1 c ) \alpha \left( \dfrac{1}{1-c} \right) must be irrational.

(C) \large \text{(C)}

The integration can be solved as

0 π ( β cos ( x ) + c ) d x = β 0 π cos ( x ) d x + c 0 π d x = β [ sin ( x ) ] 0 π + c [ x ] 0 π = c π \begin{aligned} \displaystyle \int_0^\pi \left( \beta \cos(x) + c \right) \,dx &= \beta \int_0^\pi \cos(x) \,dx + c \int_0^\pi \,dx \\ &= \beta \left[ \sin(x) \right] {\huge{|}}_{0}^{\pi} + c \left[ x \right] {\huge{|}}_{0}^{\pi} \\ &= c \pi \end{aligned}

We know that π \pi is irrational and c Q c \in \mathbb{Q} and c 0 c \neq 0 , thus c π c \pi must be irrational.


Hence options (B) and (C) follow.

Done like thos only but I didnt take alpha and beta values as you considered. I just thought them mentally

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Actually, there's a more rigorous proof to show that the sum and/or the difference of two irrational numbers may or may not be an irrational number. However, if either of these two yields a rational result, then the other must yield an irrational result.

The thing is- I have not seen/nor myself proved that there always/not always exists two irrationals within any chosen interval on the real line such that the sum or difference of which yields a rational number. Can you prove it?

Tapas Mazumdar - 4 years, 2 months ago

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