Octagon in an Octagon

Geometry Level 2

A regular octagon A B C D E F G H ABCDEFGH has squares A C E G ACEG and B D F H BDFH inscribed in it. These squares form a smaller octagon as shown.

Let the the area of octagon A B C D E F G H ABCDEFGH be A L A_L and the area of the smaller octagon be A S A_S . Then for some integers a a and b b , where b b is square-free, A S A L = a b . \large \dfrac{A_S}{A_L}=a-\sqrt{b}. Find a + b a+b .


The answer is 4.

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3 solutions

Michael Fuller
Feb 19, 2016

Let the side length of octagon A B C D E F G H ABCDEFGH be x x . Then A L = 2 x 2 ( 1 + 2 ) A_L=2x^2 (1+\sqrt2) .

Consider A B H \triangle ABH : Let the length of line B H BH be y y - this is the length of a side of the squares A C E G ACEG and B D F H BDFH . Using the cosine rule, we have y 2 = x 2 + x 2 2 x 2 cos 135 ° y 2 = 2 x 2 ( 1 + 2 / 2 ) y^2=x^2+x^2-2x^2 \cos135° \Rightarrow y^2= 2x^2(1 + \sqrt2/2) .

Now let the side length of the smaller octagon be z z . Then z ( 1 + 2 ) = y z(1+\sqrt2)=y and A S = 2 z 2 ( 1 + 2 ) A_S=2z^2 (1+\sqrt2) .

A S A L = 2 z 2 ( 1 + 2 ) 2 x 2 ( 1 + 2 ) = z 2 x 2 = y 2 x 2 ( 1 + 2 ) 2 = 2 x 2 ( 1 + 2 / 2 ) x 2 ( 1 + 2 ) 2 \Rightarrow \dfrac{A_S}{A_L}=\dfrac{2z^2 (1+\sqrt2)}{2x^2 (1+\sqrt2)}=\dfrac{z^2}{x^2}=\dfrac{y^2}{x^2 (1+\sqrt2)^2}=\dfrac{2x^2(1 + \sqrt2/2)}{x^2 (1+\sqrt2)^2} = 2 ( 1 + 2 / 2 ) ( 1 + 2 ) 2 = 2 + 2 3 + 2 2 = 2 2 =\dfrac{2(1 + \sqrt2/2)}{(1+\sqrt2)^2} =\dfrac{2+\sqrt2}{3+2\sqrt2} = 2- \sqrt2

Thus a = b = 2 a=b=2 , and the required answer is 4 \large \color{#20A900}{\boxed{4}} .

Same method! :)

Kshitij Alwadhi - 5 years, 3 months ago

One can easily prove that the ratio of side of smaller octagon to that of larger octagon is

= 1 2 cos π 8 =\frac{1}{\sqrt2\cos\frac\pi8}

we know that the ratio of areas of similar regular polygons is equal to the ratio of squares of their respective sides hence

A S A L = ( 1 2 cos π 8 ) 2 = sec 2 π 8 2 = 1 + tan 2 π 8 2 = 1 + ( 2 1 ) 2 2 = 4 2 2 2 = 2 2 \frac{A_S}{A_L}=\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt2\cos\frac\pi8}\right)^2=\frac{\sec^2\frac\pi8}{2}=\frac{1+\tan^2\frac\pi8}{2}=\frac{1+(\sqrt2-1)^2}{2}=\frac{4-2\sqrt2}{2}=2-\sqrt2

Rab Gani
May 10, 2018

Let x the side of larger octagon, the square side y, y^2 = x^2(2 +√2), Let z the side of smaller octagon, (1+√2)z = y, z^2 = y^2/(3 +2√2), By similarity AS/AL= z^2 / x^2 = (2 +√2)/ (3 +2√2) = 2 - √2 = a - √b, a+b=4

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