3, 2, 1 blast off

Algebra Level 5

We have the identity

3 2 3 1 3 = a 3 + b 3 c 3 , 3 \sqrt[3]{ \sqrt[3]{2} -1 } = \sqrt[3] {a} + \sqrt[3]{b} - \sqrt[3]{c},

where a a , b b and c c are positive integers. What is the value of a + b + c a + b + c ?


The answer is 21.

This section requires Javascript.
You are seeing this because something didn't load right. We suggest you, (a) try refreshing the page, (b) enabling javascript if it is disabled on your browser and, finally, (c) loading the non-javascript version of this page . We're sorry about the hassle.

4 solutions

3 2 3 1 3 = 3 ( 2 3 1 ) ( 2 2 3 + 2 × 1 3 + 1 3 ) 2 2 3 + 2 × 1 3 + 1 3 3 = 3 4 3 + 2 3 + 1 3 = 3 3 3 2 + 3 4 3 + 3 2 3 + 1 3 = 3 3 3 2 3 + 1 = 3 3 3 ( 2 2 3 2 × 1 3 + 1 3 ) ( 2 3 + 1 ) ( 2 2 3 2 × 1 3 + 1 3 ) = 3 3 3 ( 4 3 2 3 + 1 3 ) 3 = 12 3 + 3 3 6 3 \begin{aligned} \displaystyle {3 \sqrt[3]{\sqrt[3]{2} - 1}} &= 3 \sqrt[3]{\frac{(\sqrt[3]{2} - 1)(\sqrt[3]{2^2} + \sqrt[3]{2 \times 1} + \sqrt[3]{1})}{\sqrt[3]{2^2} + \sqrt[3]{2 \times 1} + \sqrt[3]{1}}}\\ &= \frac{3}{\sqrt[3]{\sqrt[3]{4} + \sqrt[3]{2} + 1}}\\ &= \frac{3 \sqrt[3]{3}}{\sqrt[3]{2 + 3\sqrt[3]{4} + 3\sqrt[3]{2} + 1}}\\ &= \frac{3 \sqrt[3]{3}}{\sqrt[3]{2} + 1}\\ &= \frac{3 \sqrt[3]{3}(\sqrt[3]{2^2} - \sqrt[3]{2 \times 1} + \sqrt[3]{1})}{(\sqrt[3]{2} + 1)(\sqrt[3]{2^2} - \sqrt[3]{2 \times 1} + \sqrt[3]{1})}\\ &= \frac{3 \sqrt[3]{3}(\sqrt[3]{4} - \sqrt[3]{2} + \sqrt[3]{1})}{3}\\ &= \sqrt[3]{12} + \sqrt[3]{3} - \sqrt[3]{6} \end{aligned} Hence a + b + c = 12 + 3 + 6 = 21 a + b + c = 12 + 3 + 6 = 21

Moderator note:

Nice solution! It is very similar to the Shreyansh C.'s one.

No more solutions exist?

Satvik Golechha - 5 years, 9 months ago
Christopher Boo
Mar 14, 2014

Ok I will try to write my solution as neat as possible.

Aim:

In this problem, we should try to do something on the LHS \text{LHS} and not the RHS \text{RHS} or both. The reason is because we are not solving an equation, how can we possible solve for three variables with one equation? Hence, we should try to arrange LHS \text{LHS} into the form of RHS \text{RHS} . For example

3 + 4 7 = a + b 7 3+4\sqrt7=a+b\sqrt7 , solve for a a and b b

Immediately we can see a = 3 a=3 and b = 4 b=4 . This is because we analyse the form or pattern of both expression. So, solving this kind of problems need lots of creativity!


Firstly, we set some variables to see the connection between 3 , 2 , 1 3,2,1 . Let

x 3 = 2 x^3=2 , x = 2 3 x=\sqrt[3]{2}

y 3 = 1 y^3=1 , y = 1 y=1

Now, we substitute it to the expression

3 \strut 2 3 1 3 3\sqrt[3]{\strut\sqrt[3]{2}-1}

= ( x 3 + y 3 ) \strut x y 3 =(x^3+y^3)\sqrt[3]{\strut x-y}

= ( x + y ) ( x 2 x y + y 2 ) \strut x y 3 =(x+y)(x^2-xy+y^2)\sqrt[3]{\strut x-y}

= ( x 2 x y + y 2 ) \strut ( x y ) ( x + y ) 3 3 =(x^2-xy+y^2)\sqrt[3]{\strut(x-y)(x+y)^3}

= ( x 2 x y + y 2 ) \strut x 4 + 2 x 3 y 2 x y 3 y 4 3 =(x^2-xy+y^2)\sqrt[3]{\strut x^4+2x^3y-2xy^3-y^4}

Now, we substitute all the numbers back into the expression we have

( 4 3 2 3 + 1 ) \strut 2 2 3 + 4 2 2 3 1 3 (\sqrt[3]{4}-\sqrt[3]{2}+1)\sqrt[3]{\strut 2\sqrt[3]{2}+4-2\sqrt[3]{2}-1}

= ( 4 3 2 3 + 1 ) 3 3 =(\sqrt[3]{4}-\sqrt[3]{2}+1)\sqrt[3]{3}

= 12 3 6 3 + 3 3 =\sqrt[3]{12}-\sqrt[3]{6}+\sqrt[3]{3}

Let's arrange it to the form same as the problem

12 3 + 3 3 6 3 \sqrt[3]{12}+\sqrt[3]{3}-\sqrt[3]{6}

Hence, we can see a = 12 a=12 , b = 3 b=3 , c = 6 c=6 and a + b + c = 21 a+b+c=21

This method is so long.i hv solved it in few steps

hadia tahir - 7 years, 3 months ago

Log in to reply

How??

Satvik Golechha - 7 years, 3 months ago

Great solution, Christopher. But this intuition won't work in all problems of this type. Can you tell me a foolproof solution, which will definitely get us to the answer?

Satvik Golechha - 7 years, 3 months ago

Log in to reply

Well, there are other problems in this type, which is Cube Roots Escape . I think there is another one but I can't find it.

That problem can also be solved by this method, only need a slightly changes. I will add my solution in the comment section.

Christopher Boo - 7 years, 2 months ago

a great solution

Malay Pandey - 7 years, 2 months ago
Mark Hennings
Oct 22, 2013

If α = 2 1 3 \alpha = 2^{\frac13} , then 1 = α 3 1 = ( α 1 ) ( α 2 + α + 1 ) 1 = \alpha^3-1 = (\alpha-1)(\alpha^2+\alpha+1) and 3 = α 3 + 1 = ( α + 1 ) ( α 2 α + 1 ) 3 = \alpha^3 + 1 = (\alpha+1)(\alpha^2-\alpha+1) . Thus 3 α 1 = 3 ( α 2 + α + 1 ) = α 3 + 3 α 2 + 3 α + 1 = ( α + 1 ) 3 \frac{3}{\alpha-1} \; = \; 3(\alpha^2 + \alpha + 1) \; = \; \alpha^3 + 3\alpha^2 + 3\alpha +1 \; = \; (\alpha + 1)^3 and so 3 ( α 1 ) 1 3 = 3 4 3 α + 1 = 3 1 3 ( α 2 α + 1 ) 3(\alpha-1)^{\frac13} \; = \; \frac{3^{\frac43}}{\alpha+1} \; = \; 3^{\frac13}(\alpha^2 - \alpha + 1) From this we can readily spot the solution a = 12 a = 12 , b = 3 b = 3 , c = 6 c = 6 , and hence a + b + c = 21 a+b+c=21 .

How to show that this is the only solution is more of a challenge. It would seem likely that we need to show that a , b , c a,b,c are all multiples of 3 3 and that ( a / 3 ) 1 3 , ( b / 3 ) 1 3 , ( c / 3 ) 1 3 (a/3)^{\frac13},(b/3)^{\frac13},(c/3)^{\frac13} all belong to Z ( α ) \mathbb{Z}(\alpha) , but I have not managed that yet. A computer search determines that there are no other solutions within the range of Brilliant solutions!

Great! This is very similar to how we created the problem, and you can see how the cube roots naturally come in.

The identity is also 'well-known'.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 7 months ago
Daniel Nieuwerf
Oct 23, 2013

use your calculator and consider 1.9^3 as 7 therefore 7+7-7=21 and therefore a,b,c are 7,7,7 hence A+B+C=21

Moderator note:

As highlighted below, this solution is incorrect.

It is not true that

3 2 3 1 3 = 7 3 + 7 3 7 3 3 \sqrt[3]{ \sqrt[3]{2} -1 } = \sqrt[3]{7} + \sqrt[3]{7} - \sqrt[3]{7}

If you use your calculator, they will differ in the third decimal place.

i mean 7+7-7=7

daniel nieuwerf - 7 years, 7 months ago

Where do the 7's came from?

Rindell Mabunga - 7 years, 7 months ago

Can you say more, Daniel? It's hard to tell whether it's just a coincidence that this gave you the correct answer.

Peter Byers - 7 years, 7 months ago

Log in to reply

P.S. On second thought, after re-reading your solution, I think I can say with certainty that it's just a coincidence.

Peter Byers - 7 years, 7 months ago

And using calculator isn't really fair. After all, all Math problems in Brilliant are supposed to be done with a pencil and paper, or at least I suppose that it's true.

Vincent Tandya - 7 years, 7 months ago

Log in to reply

And using calculator isn't really fair. After all, all Math problems in Brilliant are supposed to be done with a pencil and paper, or at least I suppose that it's true.

I don't think that's necessarily true: sometimes using a calculator is appropriate. (But that doesn't change the fact that the above solution is incorrect.)

Peter Byers - 7 years, 7 months ago

0 pending reports

×

Problem Loading...

Note Loading...

Set Loading...