3D Spring Dynamics

A particle of mass m = 1 m = 1 is connected to one end of a spring of force constant k = 2 k = 2 and natural length 0 = 0 \ell_0 = 0 . The other end of the spring is fixed at the origin. The ambient gravitational acceleration g = 10 g = 10 is in the negative z z direction.

At time t = 0 t = 0 , the particle is at position ( x , y , z ) = ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) (x,y,z) = (1,1,1) with velocity ( x ˙ , y ˙ , z ˙ ) = ( 1 , 2 , 3 ) (\dot{x}, \dot{y}, \dot{z}) = (1,2,3) .

How far from the origin is the particle at time t = 15 t = 15 ?

Note: This is an ideal problem for practicing Lagrangian mechanics and seeing how it results in Newtonian equations


The answer is 7.793.

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2 solutions

Karan Chatrath
Sep 2, 2020

At any instant of time, the kinetic energy of the system is:

T = x ˙ 2 + y ˙ 2 + z ˙ 2 2 \mathcal{T} = \frac{\dot{x}^2+\dot{y}^2+\dot{z}^2}{2}

The potential energy is the sum of the gravitational and spring potential energy:

V = 10 z + x 2 + y 2 + z 2 \mathcal{V} = 10z + x^2+y^2+z^2

Applying Lagrange's equations from this point:

d d t ( T x ˙ ) T x + V x = 0 \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{T}}{\partial \dot{x}}\right)- \frac{\partial \mathcal{T}}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial \mathcal{V}}{\partial x}=0 d d t ( T y ˙ ) T y + V y = 0 \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{T}}{\partial \dot{y}}\right)- \frac{\partial \mathcal{T}}{\partial y} + \frac{\partial \mathcal{V}}{\partial y}=0 d d t ( T z ˙ ) T z + V z = 0 \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{T}}{\partial \dot{z}}\right)- \frac{\partial \mathcal{T}}{\partial z} + \frac{\partial \mathcal{V}}{\partial z}=0

Evaluating this results in a system of three linear de-coupled differential equations:

x ¨ + 2 x = 0 \ddot{x} +2x=0 y ¨ + 2 y = 0 \ddot{y} +2y=0 z ¨ + 2 z = 10 \ddot{z} +2z=-10

General solution:

x ( t ) = A 1 cos ( t 2 ) + B 1 sin ( t 2 ) x(t) = A_1 \cos(t \sqrt{2}) + B_1 \sin(t \sqrt{2}) y ( t ) = A 2 cos ( t 2 ) + B 2 sin ( t 2 ) y(t) = A_2 \cos(t \sqrt{2}) + B_2 \sin(t \sqrt{2}) z ( t ) = A 3 cos ( t 2 ) + B 3 sin ( t 2 ) 5 z(t) = A_3 \cos(t \sqrt{2}) + B_3 \sin(t \sqrt{2})-5

The unknown constants can be solved by applying the initial conditions. The required answer is:

D = ( x ( 15 ) ) 2 + ( y ( 15 ) ) 2 + ( z ( 15 ) ) 2 7.793 D = \sqrt{(x(15))^2 + (y(15))^2 + (z(15))^2} \approx 7.793

@Karan Chatrath Exact same my way, I also solved it within half an hour after posting of problem.
Please take a look in my magnetism problems if possible.
I will be happy if you post some more solutions of my problem. Sir if it takes time to write Latex you can write the solution in page and can paste in solutions.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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I do see your problems and I will try them, as and when I can. I have attempted a few already and shared solutions.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago
Krishna Karthik
Sep 2, 2020

A bit late on this one, but I solved it. I have nothing new to add, but here's a graph showing the position versus time:

This kind of problem is a nightmare to do using Newtonian mechanics, but much much easier to do using Lagrangian mechanics. With 3 generalised coordinates, x , y , z x, y, z , we should solve the Euler-Lagrange equation for all three variables.

The good thing about this system is that it isn't coupled (thankfully). I solved by numerically integrating the equation, although you can do it using the traditional periodic solution to the second-order system.

Thanks for the solution. It's kind of interesting to see that the Lagrange equations very straightforwardly yield the Newtonian equations in this case.

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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Yeah; Euler-Lagrange is very interesting. While Newtonian mechanics is much more straightforward to understand, the Lagrangian formulation is much more eye-opening; it has many consequences such as Noether's theorem, Least-Action, and whatnot.

Perhaps this is why Newtonian mechanics is taught first, then Lagrangian mechanics.

Krishna Karthik - 9 months, 1 week ago

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