A Charge Oscillating Above A Charged Square Plate.

Consider a point charge of mass m m and charge q q in equilibrium at a height h h above a square plate of charge density σ \sigma and side a = 2 h a = 2h in the presence of gravity in equilibrium. The plate is fixed.

Now, the point charge is given a small displacement in vertical displacement. Find an expression for the time period of its oscillations T T in terms of h h and g g , and give the value of 53.72 T 53.72 T for h = 9 m h = 9m and g = 9.8 m / s 2 g = 9.8 m/s^2 to the nearest integer


The answer is 308.

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Jatin Yadav
Mar 23, 2014

Consider a square loop of thickness d x dx at a distance x x from center, such that the side of square is 2 x 2x . Due to each of 4 sides, carrying charge σ d x \sigma dx each electric field's magnitude is σ x d x 2 π ϵ 0 x 2 + h 2 2 x 2 + h 2 \displaystyle \frac{\sigma x dx}{2 \pi \epsilon_{0} \sqrt{x^2+h^2} \sqrt{2x^2+h^2}}

Since the net field is vertical, we take only vertical component , multiplying above expression by h x 2 + h 2 \displaystyle \frac{h}{\sqrt{x^2+h^2}} and then multiply by 4 4 , as there are 4 4 sides.

Hence, the electric field due to square loop is :

d E = 2 σ h x d x π ϵ 0 ( x 2 + h 2 ) 2 x 2 + h 2 dE = \displaystyle \frac{2 \sigma h x dx}{\pi \epsilon_{0} (x^2+h^2) \sqrt{2x^2+h^2}}

E = 2 σ h π ϵ 0 0 a 2 x d x ( x 2 + h 2 ) 2 x 2 + h 2 E = \displaystyle \frac{2 \sigma h}{ \pi \epsilon_{0}} \int_{0}^{\frac{a}{2}} \frac{x dx}{(x^2+h^2) \sqrt{2x^2+h^2}}

Let 2 x 2 + h 2 = t 2 2x^2+h^2 = t^2 , and obtain:

E = 2 σ h π ϵ 0 h a 2 2 + h 2 d t h 2 + t 2 E = \displaystyle \frac{2 \sigma h}{\pi \epsilon_{0}} \int_{h}^{\sqrt{\frac{a^2}{2} + h^2}} \frac{dt}{h^2+t^2}

= 2 σ π ϵ 0 ( tan 1 ( a 2 2 + h 2 h ) π 4 ) \frac{2 \sigma}{\pi \epsilon_{0}} \bigg(\tan^{-1} \bigg(\frac{\sqrt{\frac{a^2}{2}+h^2}}{h}\bigg) - \frac{\pi}{4}\bigg)

Note that you get E = σ 2 ϵ 0 E = \frac{\sigma}{2 \epsilon_{0}} for a a \to \infty , and also for h 0 h \to 0 . This verifies the result.

Now, in our case, when a = 2 h a = 2h , E = σ 6 ϵ 0 E = \frac{\sigma}{6 \epsilon_{0}} as in another problem posted by kartik kannan.

Now, q σ 6 ϵ 0 = m g \displaystyle \frac{q \sigma}{6 \epsilon_{0}} = mg

Let us change h h by a small distance δ x < < 1 \delta x << 1 . Then by taking derivative of the force,

F n e t = q E m g F_{net} = qE - mg

δ F δ x = q δ E δ x q σ 3 π ϵ 0 h \Rightarrow \displaystyle \frac{\delta F}{\delta x} = q \frac{\delta E}{\delta x} \approx -\frac{q \sigma}{\sqrt{3} \pi \epsilon_{0} h}

F n e w = δ F = 2 3 m g π h δ x \Rightarrow \displaystyle F_{new} = \delta F = - \frac{2 \sqrt{3} mg}{\pi h} \delta x

Hence, T = 2 π π h 2 3 g \displaystyle \boxed{ T = 2 \pi \sqrt{\frac{\pi h}{2 \sqrt{3} g}}}

Put values to get the answer as 308 308

What a awesome solution.

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 2 months ago

Thanks :)

jatin yadav - 7 years, 2 months ago

I got mistaken by a factor of 2 miscalculation. And couldn't figure out what was wrong

Milun Moghe - 7 years, 2 months ago

Just wanted to ask you Jatin if you modified your question. The time period turns out to be 5.73 seconds and I think that earlier you had asked to compute the value of [ 100 T ] [100T] . However I was marked wrong. Anyway, nice solution :)

Karthik Kannan - 7 years, 2 months ago

I am sorry for any inconvenience. Actually, I had modified it. Sorry again for the time loss .Actually, there was an error in my input to calculator. By the way, how could you have done the problem you posted without calculus?

jatin yadav - 7 years, 2 months ago

No problem Jatin! As for my question, I came up with it while this very question. The idea is to use Gauss Law.

I am sure you must be knowing that the flux through the square plate is q 6 ϵ 0 \frac{q}{6\epsilon_0} due to the charge (It is quite a popular question).

Now F l u x = E d s Flux=\int E\cdot ds

Here E E is the field due to the charge.

So F l u x = E d s cos θ Flux=\int E ds \cos \theta

Multiply both sides by σ \sigma and note that σ d s = d q p l a t e \sigma ds=dq_{plate} :

σ × F l u x = E d q p l a t e cos θ \sigma \times Flux=\int E dq_{plate} \cos \theta

Now E d q p l a t e cos θ = d F p l a t e E dq_{plate} \cos \theta=dF_{plate} (note that sin θ \sin \theta components cancel due to symmetry).

Thus we have the answer.

Karthik Kannan - 7 years, 2 months ago

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