A common chord

Geometry Level 2

Find the distance between the intersection points of the two circles x 2 + y 2 = 16 x^2 + y^2 = 16 and ( x 1 ) 2 + ( y 2 ) 2 = 25 \\ (x - 1)^2 + (y - 2)^2 = 25 .


The answer is 7.797.

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Let the two intersecting points of the two circles be P 1 ( x 1 , y 1 ) P_1(x_1, y_1) and P 2 ( x 2 , y 2 ) P_2(x_2,y_2) . Then ( x 1 , y 1 ) (x_1, y_1) and ( x 2 , y 2 ) (x_2,y_2) satisfy the two equations.

{ x 2 + y 2 = 16 . . . ( 1 ) ( x 1 ) 2 + ( y 2 ) 2 = 25 . . . ( 2 ) \begin{cases} x^2 + y^2 = 16 & ...(1) \\ (x-1)^2 + (y-2)^2 = 25 & ...(2) \end{cases} .

From ( 2 ) (2) :

x 2 2 x + 1 + y 2 4 y + 4 = 25 Note that ( 1 ) : x 2 + y 2 = 16 2 x 4 y = 4 x + 2 y = 2 \begin{aligned} \blue{x^2} - 2x + 1 + \blue{y^2} - 4y + 4 & = 25 & \small \blue{\text{Note that }(1): \ x^2 + y^2 = 16} \\ - 2x - 4y & = 4 \\ \implies x + 2y & = - 2 \end{aligned} .

The equation x + 2 y = 2 x+2y = -2 is the straight line passes through P 1 P_1 and P 2 P_2 . We need to find the length

P 1 P 2 = ( x 1 x 2 ) 2 + ( y 1 y 2 ) 2 = x 1 2 2 x 1 x 2 + x 2 2 + y 1 2 2 y 1 y 2 + y 2 2 Note that ( 1 ) : x 2 + y 2 = 16 = 32 2 x 1 x 2 2 y 1 y 2 By Vieta’s formula (see note) = 32 + 24 + 24 5 = 304 5 7.797 \begin{aligned} P_1P_2 & = \sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2 + (y_1-y_2)^2} \\ & = \sqrt{\blue{x_1^2} - 2x_1x_2 + \red{x_2^2} + \blue{y_1^2} - 2y_1y_2 + \red{y_2^2}} & \small \blue{\text{Note that }(1): \ x^2 + y^2 = 16} \\ & = \sqrt{32 - 2\blue{x_1x_2} - 2\red{y_1y_2}} & \small \blue{\text{By Vieta's formula (see note)}} \\ & = \sqrt{32 + \blue{24} + \red{\frac {24}5}} = \sqrt {\frac {304}5} \approx \boxed{7.797} \end{aligned}


Note: From x + 2 y = 2 x+2y = -2 , y = x + 2 2 \implies y = - \dfrac {x+2}2 . Putting it into ( 1 ) (1) , we have:

x 2 + ( x + 2 2 ) 2 = 16 x 2 + x 2 + 4 x + 4 4 = 16 5 x 2 + 4 x 60 = 0 x 2 + 4 5 x 12 = 0 \begin{aligned} x^2 + \left(-\frac {x+2}2\right)^2 & = 16 \\ x^2 + \frac {x^2 + 4x+4}4 & = 16 \\ 5x^2 + 4x - 60 & = 0 \\ \implies x^2 + \frac 45x - 12 & = 0 \end{aligned}

By Vieta's formula , we have x 1 x 2 = 12 x_1x_2 = -12 .

Similarly, x = 2 ( y + 1 ) x = -2(y+1) , 4 ( y + 1 ) 2 + y 2 = 16 5 y 2 + 8 y 12 = 0 4(y+1)^2 + y^2 = 16 \implies 5y^2 + 8y - 12 = 0 , y 1 y 2 = 12 5 \implies y_1y_2 = - \dfrac {12}5 .

Pop Wong
Sep 6, 2020

The distance between the centres = 1 2 + 2 2 = 5 = \sqrt{1^2+2^2} = \sqrt{5}

By Pythagoras theorem,

4 2 h 2 = x 2 5 2 h 2 = ( x + 5 ) 2 4^2 - h^2 = x^2 \\ 5^2 - h^2 = (x+\sqrt{5})^2

Solving the equations, we have x = 2 5 = \cfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}} and h = 76 5 = \sqrt{\cfrac{76}{5} }

The length of the chord = 2 h 7.797 = 2h \approx \boxed{7.797}

Actually, this is probably the best way of doing it. Well done👏🏽

Krishna Karthik - 9 months ago
David Vreken
Sep 5, 2020

The second circle's center is 1 2 + 2 2 = 5 \sqrt{1^2 + 2^2} = \sqrt{5} away from the origin, so we can change its equation to ( x 5 ) 2 + y 2 = 25 (x - \sqrt{5})^2 + y^2 = 25 (representing a rotation about the origin) and still preserve the distance between intersection points to make the math a little easier.

The circles x 2 + y 2 = 16 x^2 + y^2 = 16 and ( x 5 ) 2 + y 2 = 25 (x - \sqrt{5})^2 + y^2 = 25 intersect at ( 2 5 5 , ± 2 95 5 ) (-\frac{2\sqrt{5}}{5}, \pm \frac{2\sqrt{95}}{5}) , and the distance between these two points is 4 95 5 7.797 \frac{4\sqrt{95}}{5} \approx \boxed{7.797} .

Hosam Hajjir
Sep 5, 2020

The first circle is centered at O 1 ( 0 , 0 ) O_1 (0,0) with a radius of r 1 = 4 r_1 = 4 . The second circle is center at O 2 ( 1 , 2 ) O_2(1, 2) with a radius of r 2 = 5 r_2 = 5 .

Let the first intersection point be A A , then by drawing the triangle O 1 O 2 A O_1 O_2 A , we find that

cos θ = ( r 1 2 + ( 1 2 + 2 2 ) r 2 2 ) 2 ( 4 ) 5 = 1 2 5 \cos \theta = \dfrac{( r_1 ^ 2 + (1^2 + 2^2) - r_2^2 )}{ 2(4) \sqrt{5}} =- \dfrac{1}{2 \sqrt{5}}

where θ = A O 1 O 2 \theta = \angle A O_1 O_2

It follows that sin θ = 19 2 5 \sin \theta = \dfrac{\sqrt{19}}{ 2 \sqrt{5} }

Hence chord length = 2 r 1 sin θ = 2 ( 4 ) 19 2 5 = 7.797 2 r_1 \sin \theta = 2 (4) \dfrac{\sqrt{19} }{ 2 \sqrt{5} }= 7.797

Line x + 2 y = 2 x+2y=-2 came after substituting first circle to second or y = 2 x 2 y=\dfrac{-2-x}{2} touches either circle at ( 2 304 5 , 8 + 304 10 ) , ( 2 + 304 5 , 8 304 10 ) (\dfrac{-2-\sqrt{304}}{5},\dfrac{-8+\sqrt{304}}{10}), (\dfrac{-2+\sqrt{304}}{5}, \dfrac{-8-\sqrt{304}}{10}) , again found by substitution of the line to either circle, it's the distance between those two points which can also be approximated at between ( 3.887 , 0.943 ) (-3.887,0.943) and ( 3.087 , 2.544 ) (3.087, -2.544) to 7.7976 7.7976 .

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