A Common Root

Algebra Level 4

There are three real values of b for which the equations:

2 x 2 + 5 x + 2 b = 0 2{ x }^{ 2 }+5x+2b=0 and 2 x 3 + 7 x 2 + 5 x + 1 = 0 2{ x }^{ 3 }+7{ x }^{ 2 }+5{ x }+1=0 have at least one common root.

The sum of these three values for b can be expressed in the form m n \frac { m }{ n } , where m and n are coprime positive integers.

Find m + n m+n .


The answer is 5.

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3 solutions

Calvin Lin Staff
Jun 4, 2014

Observe that b = 0 b = 0 is not a solution. This will allow us to divide by b b subsequently.

We have

2 x 3 + 7 x 2 + 5 x + 1 ( x + 1 ) ( 2 x 2 + 5 x + 2 b ) = 2 b x 2 b + 1 2x^3 + 7x^2 + 5x + 1 - (x+1) ( 2x^2 + 5x + 2b) = -2bx - 2b + 1

Hence, the common root must satisfy 0 = 2 b x 2 b + 1 x = 1 2 b 2 b 0 = -2bx -2b + 1 \Rightarrow x = \frac{ 1-2b}{2b} .

Substituting this into the first equation (either equation works) and multiplying by ( 2 b ) 2 (2b)^2 we get

0 = 8 b 3 12 b 2 + 2 b + 2 = 2 ( b 1 ) ( 4 b 2 2 b 1 ) 0 = 8b^3 - 12b^2 + 2b + 2 = 2 (b-1) ( 4b^2 - 2b -1 )

which has 3 real roots (check the discriminant).

For each of these values of b b , we get a corresponding value of α = 1 2 b b \alpha = \frac {1-2b}{b} which is the common root. Hence, by Vieta, the sum of these values are 12 8 = 3 2 \frac{12}{8} = \frac{3}{2} .

Yeah, it's a pretty mechanical process. Just apply the Euclidean algorithm to the two polynomials until you get a constant, which in this case is 4 b 3 6 b 2 + b + 1 2 b 2 \frac{4b^3 - 6b^2 + b + 1}{2b^2} . Rule out the roots of the denominator separately (as the process breaks down for those), and then the answer is the roots of the numerator.

Patrick Corn - 7 years ago

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That's a cleaner approach. Thanks!

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Lu Chee Ket
Aug 26, 2014

2 x^3 + 7 x^2 + 5 x + 1 = (2 x + 1)(x^3 + 3 x + 1) = 0 means this is not a genuine cubic equation. x = {-0.5, (- 3 + sqrt(5))/ 2, (- 3 - sqrt(5))/ 2)}.

2 x^2 + 5 x + 2 b = 0 => b = - x^2 - 2.5 x.

Hence, b = {1, -0.309016694, 0.809016994}

Therefore, sum = 1.5 = 3/ 2.

3 + 2 = 5.

Morgan Blake
Jun 4, 2014

First, choosing two more general equations:

x 2 + a x + b = 0 { x }^{ 2 }+ax+b=0 and x 3 + ( a + 1 ) x 2 + q x + r = 0 { x }^{ 3 }+(a+1){ x }^{ 2 }+qx+r=0 .

Take α \alpha to be a common root of the two equations. From now on, these two equations are referred to as (1) and (2) respectively.

From (1), we have that: α 2 = b α b { \alpha }^{ 2 }=-b\alpha -b ,

and substituting this into (2), it follows that: α ( b α b ) + ( a + 1 ) ( b α b ) + q α + r = 0 \alpha (-b\alpha -b)+(a+1)(-b\alpha -b)+q\alpha +r=0 .

Rearranging this to make α \alpha the subject yields:

α = b r a + b q \alpha =-\frac { b-r }{ a+b-q } .

Substituting this into (1), we have that: ( b r ) 2 ( a + b q ) 2 a ( b r ) ( a + b q ) + b = 0 { \frac { { (b-r) }^{ 2 } }{ { (a+b-q) }^{ 2 } } }-a\frac { (b-r) }{ (a+b-q) } +b=0 .

Tidying up gives an equation now referred to as ( ) (\ast ) :

( b r ) 2 a ( b r ) ( a + b q ) + b ( a + b q ) 2 = 0 { (b-r) }^{ 2 }-a(b-r)(a+b-q)+b{ (a+b-q) }^{ 2 }=0 ,

which is satisfied if and only if (1) and (2) have a common root.

Halving both sides of each of the equations given in the question, and denoting these as (i) and (ii) respectively, we have that:

x 2 + 5 2 x + b = 0 { x }^{ 2 }+\frac { 5 }{ 2 } x+b=0 and

x 3 + 7 2 x 2 + 5 2 x + 1 2 = 0 { x }^{ 3 }+\frac { 7 }{ 2 } { x }^{ 2 }+\frac { 5 }{ 2 } x+\frac { 1 }{ 2 } =0 .

Comparing the coefficients of these equations with the forms of the general equations that we initially stated, we have that:

a = 5 2 a=\frac { 5 }{ 2 } , b = b b=b , q = 5 2 q=\frac { 5 }{ 2 } , and r = 1 2 r=\frac { 1 }{ 2 } .

Putting these into ( ) (\ast ) , then expanding and simplifying to a monic polynomial yields:

b 3 3 2 b 2 + 1 4 b + 1 4 = 0 { b }^{ 3 }-\frac { 3 }{ 2 } { b }^{ 2 }+\frac { 1 }{ 4 } b+\frac { 1 }{ 4 } =0 .

Assuming that all three roots of the cubic are real (though this is implied in the wording of the question), by Vieta's Formula, the sum of the values of b that satisfy the cubic equation in b is:

3 2 1 = 3 2 \frac { -\frac { 3 }{ 2 } }{ -1 } =\frac { 3 }{ 2 } .

More rigorously, a factor of ( b 1 ) (b-1) should be taken out of the cubic, and then the resolving quadratic factorized, showing that all three values of b are indeed real.

Hence, the final result is: 3 + 2 = 5 3+2=\boxed { \quad 5\quad }

I think the hint isn't relevant, and complicates things more. If you use the identity

2 x 3 + 7 x 2 + 5 x + 1 ( x + 1 ) ( 2 x 2 + 5 x + 2 b ) = 2 b x 2 b + 1 , 2x^3 + 7x^2 + 5x + 1 - (x+1) ( 2x^2 + 5x + 2b) = -2bx - 2b + 1,

The process is much shorter.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago

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I've removed the "hint", and I didn't see that idea, though it feels far more intuitive than the approach in my solution!

Morgan Blake - 7 years ago

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I added my solution. The idea is to hunt down the value of the common root, which would give us the equation in b b .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago

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