A Different Version of the Cyclists' Problem

Algebra Level 5

Two cyclists, A \displaystyle A and B \displaystyle B , 100 \displaystyle 100 metres apart, start cycling towards each other with 20 ms 1 \displaystyle 20 \text{ms}^{-1} and 30 ms 1 \displaystyle 30 \text{ms}^{-1} respectively.

As you would have expected, a fly sits on the nose of A \displaystyle A , and as they start, starts moving towards B \displaystyle B , and then back and forth all the way till it gets smashed between the noses of A \displaystyle A and B \displaystyle B . The fly maintains a constant speed of 39 ms 1 \displaystyle 39 \text{ms}^{-1} .

How much distance of the total, in metres, did the fly fly from B \displaystyle B towards A \displaystyle A ?


The answer is 19.

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3 solutions

Satvik Golechha
Mar 2, 2015

For all who solved an infinite GP for this problem, and for all those who didn't.

\bullet The total time taken by A A and B B to meet is their distance divided by their relative speed. Thus, the total time for which A A and B B cycle, is 100 20 + 30 \frac{100}{20+30} , that is, 2 2 seconds. (LOL)

\bullet In the whole of the 2 2 seconds, the fly would have been flying to and fro between A A and B B . Thus, in all, the fly, with a constant speed of 39 39 , would have travelled a distance of 39 × 2 = 78 39 \times 2 = 78 metres.

\bullet Of this 78 78 meters, some of it would have been from A A to B B and some of it from B B to A A . Let's call them X X and Y Y respectively, such that X + Y = 78 X+Y=78 .

\bullet In the end, A A would have travelled a distance of 20 × 2 = 40 20\times 2=40 metres. This means that A A and B B meet in the end at 40 40 metres from A A .

\bullet This is amazing, that, in the end, the fly is at 40 40 metres from A A . So, since it went X X metres from A A to B B , and Y Y metres from B B to A A , we get X Y = 40 X-Y=40 .

\bullet Kudos! We have X + Y = 78 X+Y=78 and X Y = 40 X-Y=40 , giving us X = 59 X=59 and Y = 19 Y=19 .

Thus the total distance the fly flew from B B to A A is 19 19 metres. QED.

Cool na?

Superb! Simple thinking. Congratulations. You gave me another direction of thinking.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 3 months ago

Very cool! Congrats on thinking of this! +1!

User 123 - 6 years, 3 months ago

I was waiting for this solution!! Superb!

Lavisha Parab - 6 years, 3 months ago

I would never have even looked at this question if you had placed it in Classical Mechanics !!

Nice thinking on your part to reframe an already popular question :)

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 3 months ago

same thing i did.........really.awesome solution to an awesome problem..............great

Yash Sharma - 6 years, 3 months ago

nice nice quite nice u did not take into account "to and fro" ...really clever of you

Arnav Das - 6 years, 2 months ago

Well could you please tell me why the fly was at 40 m from A. .. .? ?

Aaryan Jain - 6 years, 3 months ago

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It is 40 m from the start of A.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 3 months ago

hats off on your solution... i to got by that infinite gp :P

Md Zaman Khan - 6 years, 3 months ago

Variant of Satvik's solution:

  • Let t t be the time the fly was flying. 20 t + 30 t = 100 t = 2 20t +30t = 100 \implies t= 2
  • Hence, the collision happens 40 meters from A.
  • Let t t be the time the fly was flying from A to B. 39 t + ( 39 ) ( 2 t ) = 40 39t + (-39)(2-t) = 40
  • Solve for t t and enter then answer as 39 ( 2 t ) 39(2-t)

Great! New solutions are coming up.

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 3 months ago

Please separate out the two "t"s. Some one may get confused.

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 3 months ago
Lavisha Parab
Mar 2, 2015

Total distance S = 100m. t 1 = 100 69 { t }_{ 1 }=\frac { 100 }{ 69 }

Distance traveled by A and B = 50t.

Thus S l e f t , 1 = S 50 t = S 19 69 = 1900 69 { S }_{ left,1 }=\quad S-50t\quad =S\frac { 19 }{ 69 } =\frac {1900}{69}

and fly travels S 1 = 3900 69 { S }_{ 1 } = \frac {3900}{69}

Now, t 2 = S l e f t , 1 59 { t }_{ 2 }=\frac { { S }_{ left,1 } }{ 59 }

and fly travels S 2 = 3900 69 × 19 59 { S }_{ 2 }=\frac { 3900 }{ 69 } \times \frac { 19 }{ 59 }

again, S l e f t , 2 = S 50 t = S 9 59 = 1900 69 × 9 59 { S }_{ left,2 }=\quad S-50t\quad =S\frac { 9 }{ 59 } =\frac { 1900 }{ 69 } \times \frac { 9 }{ 59 }

t 3 = S l e f t , 2 69 { t }_{ 3 }=\frac { { S }_{ left,2 } }{ 69 }

and fly travels S 3 = 3900 69 × 19 59 × 9 69 { S }_{ 3 }=\frac { 3900 }{ 69 } \times \frac { 19 }{ 59 } \times \frac {9}{69}

once it is multiplied by 19 59 \frac { 19 }{ 59 } and once by 9 69 \frac { 9 }{ 69 } then again by 19 59 \frac { 19 }{ 59 }

thus, the distance from B to A is: S 2 + S 4 + S 6 . . . { S }_{ 2 }+{ S }_{ 4 }+{ S }_{ 6 }...

= S 1 × 19 59 + S 1 × 19 59 × 9 69 × 19 59 = { S }_{ 1 } \times \frac { 19 }{ 59 } + { S }_{ 1 } \times \frac { 19 }{ 59 } \times \frac {9}{69} \times \frac { 19 }{ 59 } and so on

applying sum of infinite GP,

net distance = S 1 × 19 59 1 19 × 9 59 × 69 = S 1 × 19 59 59 × 69 19 × 9 59 × 69 \frac { { S }_{ 1 }\times \frac { 19 }{ 59 } }{ 1-\frac { 19\times 9 }{ 59\times 69 } } =\frac { { S }_{ 1 }\times \frac { 19 }{ 59 } }{ \frac { 59\times 69-19\times 9 }{ 59\times 69 } }

= S 1 × 19 3900 69 =\frac { { S }_{ 1 }\times 19 }{ \frac { 3900 }{ 69 } }

where S 1 = 3900 69 . { S }_{ 1 } = \frac {3900}{69}.

thus, distance = 19 \boxed { 19 } .

Did the same! But @Satvik Golechha , seriously, 20 m s 1 20 m{s}^{-1} ? 30 m s 1 30 m{s}^{-1} ? That is a speed of a cyclist? Fly may fly but can a cyclist? :D

Kartik Sharma - 6 years, 3 months ago

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