A geometry problem by Áron Bán-Szabó

Geometry Level 4

I have a quadrilateral with perimeter 4 and area 1.

Find the maximum value of the product of its diagonal lengths to 2 decimal places.


The answer is 2.

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7 solutions

Mark Hennings
Jun 19, 2017

Suppose that A B C D ABCD is a quadrilateral with maximum area, given that it has perimeter 4 4 . Suppose that the points A , B , C A,B,C have been chosen. Then the length C D + D A CD + DA is fixed, and so D D lies on an ellipse with A , C A,C at the foci. The area of A B C D ABCD will be greatest when the height of D D above the A C AC is greatest, and this will happen when C D = A D CD = AD . Applying the same argument to the other vertices tells us that A B C D ABCD must be a rhombus of side 1 1 , and the rhombus of side 1 1 with greatest area is a square. The largest possible area for a quadrilateral of perimeter 4 4 is 1 1 , achieved by a square of side 1 1 .

Thus a quadrilateral of perimeter 4 4 and area 1 1 is a square of side 1 1 . Both of its diagonals have length 2 \sqrt{2} , so the product of their diagonals is 2 \boxed{2} .

Moderator note:

As Mark points out, if we approach with the angle, the area of a rhombus is with side r r is r 2 sin ( θ ) ; r^2 \sin(\theta) ; since the sine is maximized at 9 0 , 90^\circ , the maximum is area is of a square.

Alternately, note the area of a rhombus with diagonals p p and q q is simply p q 2 . \frac{pq}{2} .

Trying to maximize this (and ignoring the dividing by 2) we can look at z = x y , z = xy , which is more typically written as x = u v x = u-v and y = u + v y = u + v so is equivalent to z = u 2 v 2 . z = u^2 - v^2 . This is a hyperbolic paraboloid.

Any particular value of z z represents a cross section where the vertex is where x x and y y are equal. This means a rhombus with maximal area is always a square.

As a comment to the Challenge Master. The area of a rhombus with side r r is just r 2 sin θ r^2\sin\theta , where θ \theta is the angle between an adjacent pair of edges. This is maximised when sin θ = 1 \sin\theta=1 , in other words, for a square!

Mark Hennings - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Indeed! (I originally was just going to write that.) But the picture was too fun to not share, and it personally gives me a better sense as to what's going on.

Jason Dyer Staff - 3 years, 11 months ago

I updated to mention both aspects.

Jason Dyer Staff - 3 years, 11 months ago

You can directly claim that one of the diagonal has to be perpendicular bisector of another after the Ellipse argument, similarly for the other implying the quadrilateral to be a Square.

Mehul Kumar - 3 years, 11 months ago

Confuse very much

Arjun Patidar - 3 years, 11 months ago

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About which part?

Mark Hennings - 3 years, 11 months ago

Is this solution correct: Since x^2 > (x + y)(x - y) for y ≠ 0, even though x + x = (x + y) + (x - y), the only shape of a quadrilateral whose perimeter is 4 and area 1 is a unit square?

Howard Ritter - 3 years, 11 months ago

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You have shown that the rectangle with perimeter 4 4 and largest area is a square. You could extend this to parallelograms (a p'gram with sides x ± y x \pm y has largest area when it is a rectangle). What about quadrilaterals which are not parallelograms?

Mark Hennings - 3 years, 11 months ago

https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/23629-export-fig I advice this funtion for better resolution

Tolga Gürol - 2 years, 11 months ago
Áron Bán-Szabó
Jun 10, 2017

We will show that if a quadrilateral's area is n n , and the quadrilateral's perimeter is k k , then the

n = ( k 4 ) 2 n=(\frac{k}{4})^2

equation will only be true, if the quadrilateral is a square.

First, it is clear that we only need to test the convex quadrilaterals, because with a given perimeter we can test a convex quadrilateral instead of a concave quadrilateral.

Using the relationship between arithmetic mean and geometric mean:

( k 4 ) 2 = ( a + c 2 + b + d 2 2 ) 2 a + c 2 b + d 2 = a d + b c + a b + c d 4 (\frac{k}{4})^2=(\frac{\frac{a+c}{2}+\frac{b+d}{2}}{2})^2\geq \frac{a+c}{2}*\frac{b+d}{2}=\frac{ad+bc+ab+cd}{4}

where a a , b b , c c , d d are the sides of the quadrilateral. The equality will only be true if a + c = b + d a+c=b+d .

From the figure above it is easy to see that a d + b c a x + c y = 2 n ad+bc\geq ax+cy = 2n , and a d + b c = a x + c y = 2 n ad+bc= ax+cy = 2n will only be true if D A B = D C B = 90 ° DAB\angle =DCB\angle =90° .

Similarly a b + c d 2 n ab+cd\geq 2n , and a b + c d = 2 n ab+cd=2n will only be true if A B C = A D C = 90 ° ABC\angle =ADC\angle =90° .

From these we get n = ( k 4 ) 2 n=(\frac{k}{4})^2 will only be true, if A B C D ABCD is a square. So by using the pythagoras theorem we get the only possible value of A C B D = 2 2 = 2 AC*BD=\sqrt{2}^2=2 .

Note: To convey your point clearer, the first line should say " n ( k 4 ) 2 n \leq ( \frac{k}{4} ) ^ 2 with equality iff ABCD is a square".

Calvin Lin Staff - 3 years, 12 months ago
Calvin Lin Staff
Jun 15, 2017

[This is not a complete solution]

Show that if a quadrilateral has area A A , then the maximum value of the product of the diagonals is 2 A 2A . Hint: Area.

Find the equality conditions (where the product = 2 A = 2A ), and show that the perimeter is between 2 A 2A and 4 A 4A . (I am not fully certain about the range.)

Hence, we get an answer of 2 (corresponding to A = 1 A = 1 ).

Product of diagonals and Area are related by, D 1 × D 2 = 2 A sin θ D_1\times D_2 = \dfrac{2A}{\sin \theta} Hence, putting θ = 9 0 \theta = 90^\circ , we get the answer. ( θ \theta is the angle between the diagonals)

Only if I could post a solution...

Kishore S. Shenoy - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Why couldn't you post a solution?

You could always post a solution (as a comment) here, and the staffs can convert it to a solution.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Oh okay then.

Kishore S. Shenoy - 3 years, 11 months ago
Aditya Khurmi
Jun 25, 2017

Let the quadrilateral be ABCD as in the figure. Let AO=x, BO=y, CO=w and DO=z. Let A O D = θ \angle AOD=\theta and A O B = α \angle AOB=\alpha . Now, we have

[ A O D ] = [AOD]= 1 2 \frac{1}{2} x w s i n θ xwsin \theta

[ A O B ] = [AOB]= 1 2 \frac{1}{2} x y s i n α xysin \alpha

[ B O C ] = [BOC]= 1 2 \frac{1}{2} y z s i n θ yzsin \theta

[ C O D ] = [COD]= 1 2 \frac{1}{2} z w s i n α zwsin \alpha

Adding these results, we get

[ A B C D ] = 1 = 1 2 [ ( x w + y z ) s i n θ + ( x y + z w ) s i n α ] [ABCD]=1=\frac{1}{2} [(xw+yz)sin\theta + (xy+zw)sin\alpha]

= > 2 = ( x w + y z ) s i n θ + ( x y + z w ) s i n θ =>2=(xw+yz)sin\theta + (xy+zw)sin\theta
[ s i n α = s i n ( π θ ) = s i n θ sin\alpha=sin(π-\theta)=sin\theta ]

= > 2 = ( x w + y z + x y + z w ) s i n θ =>2=(xw+yz+xy+zw)sin\theta

= > 2 = ( x + z ) ( y + w ) s i n θ =>2=(x+z)(y+w)sin\theta

= > A C . B D = 2 c o s e c θ =>AC.BD=2cosec\theta

N o w , c o s e c θ 1 Now, cosec\theta ≥1

T h u s , A C . B D 2 Thus, AC.BD ≥2

Now, we will show that equality holds since the perimeter is 4.

I also solved the problem in the same way

A Former Brilliant Member - 3 years, 9 months ago

For extreme values, there is likely to be some sort of symmetry. So the quadrilateral is likely to be rectangle or ||gram. However ||gram diagonals are not equal, and having the long side very long needs a large perimeter. Thus we try a rectangle that has longer diagonals than a square for same area.
Let a,b be the sides of the rectangle.
A r e a = a b = 1 , P = 2 ( a + b ) = 4. a + b = 2. ( a + b ) 2 = 4 , ( a b ) 2 = ( a + b ) 2 4 a b = 4 4 = 0. a = b . I t i s a s q u a r e s i d e 1. T h i s i s t h e o n l y s o l u t i o n . P r o d u c t o f t h e d i a g o n a l = 2 2 = 2. Area=a*b=1, ~P=2(a+b)=4.~\implies~ a+b=2. \\ (a+b)^2=4, ~~ (a-b)^2=(a+b)^2-4ab=4 - 4=0.\\ \therefore~ a=b. \\ \implies~It~ is~ a ~square ~side~ 1.\ ~This~is ~the~only~solution. \\ Product ~of~ the~ diagonal~=\sqrt2*\sqrt2=\Large 2.

Prasit Sarapee
Jun 25, 2017

a quadrilateral with perimeter= 4 and area =1 is square, then product of its diagonal = 2.

By pure intuition, optimization problems in geometry most usually end up in symmetry. In this case, 4a = 4 & a^2 = 1 fit a square of side 1. Hence sqrt(2)^2=2. Notice that Ptolemy's theorem is exactly what the problem is asking for, i.e., product of diagonals = sum of products of two opposite sides; sqrt(2) sqrt(2) = 1×1+1×1.

Your intuition is correct. But can you prove it?

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 11 months ago

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