One Bird With The Same Stone... Twice!

Nina throws a stone in such a way that it will hit a bird perched at the top of a tree on its way up. However, once the stone is thrown, the bird flies horizontally at constant velocity in the same plane as the path of the projectile, only to be struck by the stone on its way back down. If the stone's path reaches a maximum height of twice the height of the tree, then the ratio of horizontal velocity of stone to that of the bird is in the form 1 n + 1 n \dfrac1n + \dfrac1{\sqrt n} .

Find 2 n 2n .


The answer is 4.

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4 solutions

Ved Sharda
Jan 15, 2016

Point A is point of projection of stone

Point B is top of the tree of height 'h'

Point C is maximum height of stone

D is point where stone hit the bird

E is point of landing of stone

Let time from A to C is t , similarly time from C to E is also t

Let time from B to C is t' , similarly time from C to D is also t'

At point C , H = 0.5g(t')² , 2H = 0.5gt²

By this t=√2t'

When stone reach at point D , time of bird from B to D is t+t'

Let speed of bird is V

V(t+t')=Ux(2t')

V(√2t'+t')=Ux(2t')

(√2+1)\2 = (Ux)/V

1/√2 + 1/2 = Ux/V

So n = 2 and 2n = 4

The thing is that unless the horizontal relative velocity is zero,the stone and bird cannot definitely meet..So ux/v is always 1 and let me prove it.. In birds frame of reference,the stone shall meet it twice only when it's velocity is wholly vertical,otherwise the trajectory would be a parabola and they wont meet..

Chirag Shyamsundar - 5 years, 4 months ago

@chirag shyamsundar That is exactly what i have reported but they have not answered yet.

so @ved sharda says for B to D bird takes (t+t') time & stone takes 2t' time & obviously

t+t'>2t'

It means stoned stopped at D & waited for bird to come & to be hit.

Update-Now question is edited all is well (23/01/16)

Ayush Verma - 5 years, 4 months ago
Pulkit Gupta
Jan 16, 2016

Great question!

Let us suppose the height of the tree to be h \large h .
Then, the maximum height attained by the ball is 2 h \large 2h .

The premise of the question is that the ball is thrown with some initial velocity v \large v . The bird starts to fly horizontally at the same instant with some velocity b \large b . This implies it stays at the same height h \large h from the ground. The ball goes to a height 2 h \large 2h , starts to descend and then hits the bird.


  1. Firstly, lets find the initial vertical velocity v y \large v_{y} of ball

Maximum height attained by the ball will be v y 2 2 g \large \frac{v_{y}^2}{2g} , which should be equal to 2h. Hence, v y \large v_{y} = 2 h g \large 2\sqrt{hg}


  1. Second, we find the times at which the ball attains the height h .

Writing our equation for block's vertical motion yields

s y \large s_{y} = u y t \large u_{y}t - g 2 t 2 \large \frac{g}{2t^2} .

The quadratic above gives two values of t, 2 h g 2 h g g \large \frac{2\sqrt{hg} - \sqrt{2hg}}{g} & 2 h g + 2 h g g \large \frac{2\sqrt{hg} + \sqrt{2hg}}{g} .

Clearly, the former is the time when ball attains h height while going up and latter is the time for which it is at the same height h while descending down.


  1. Let's find the answer!

The bird flies for a duration of 2 h g + 2 h g g \large \frac{2\sqrt{hg} + \sqrt{2hg}}{g} at velocity b .

This distance would be the same as the difference in the horizontal distances covered by the stone in between the two times i.e. ( 2 h g + 2 h g g 2 h g 2 h g g ) u x \large (\frac{2\sqrt{hg} + \sqrt{2hg}}{g} - \frac{2\sqrt{hg} - \sqrt{2hg}}{g})u_{x}

Equate and solve to find u x b = 1 2 + 1 2 \large \frac{u_{x}}{b} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{1}{2}

The thing is that unless the horizontal relative velocity is zero,the stone and bird cannot definitely meet..So ux/v is always 1 and let me prove it.. In birds frame of reference,the stone shall meet it twice only when it's velocity is wholly vertical,otherwise the trajectory would be a parabola and they wont meet..

Chirag Shyamsundar - 5 years, 4 months ago

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Where does the "g" goes in the last step Ux/b?

Bhagwati Vishnoi - 4 years, 8 months ago

@Niranjan Khanderia He was referencing this solution. You were in the reports forum, which is different from the solution forum.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

There is a mistake in your solution.

s y = u y t g t 2 2 s_y = u_yt-\frac{gt^2}{2} .

Akshay Yadav - 5 years ago

Same way!!!!

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 5 months ago
Rohith M.Athreya
Feb 20, 2016

posted a pic of the solution as i found it cumbersome to type all those terms

Did the same

Siddharth Yadav - 4 years, 2 months ago
Prince Loomba
Jan 18, 2016

Great use of projectile. I have done it using the time taken by the stone to reach height H/2 secomd time is equal to time taken by bird to reach same position from the first position.

The thing is that unless the horizontal relative velocity is zero,the stone and bird cannot definitely meet..So ux/v is always 1 and let me prove it.. In birds frame of reference,the stone shall meet it twice only when it's velocity is wholly vertical,otherwise the trajectory would be a parabola and they wont meet..

Chirag Shyamsundar - 5 years, 4 months ago

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