A Hula-hoop problem with a paradox?

A Particle of mass m m is attached to a light, rigid circular hula-hoop of radius R R . The hoop is placed on a rough surface with the particle initially at the highest point. When the hoop is displaced slightly, find the speed of the particle (in m / s m/s ) when the radius to the particle makes an angle θ \theta with the vertical.

A Question to ponder about : Suppose the particle reaches the bottom of the hoop, i.e θ = 18 0 o \displaystyle\theta = 180^o . Then, there is a clear loss in Potential Energy of the particle. But, if the hoop is rolling without slipping on the surface, then the velocity at the contact point is zero. Where has the energy gone?

Details and Assumptions:
R = 30 c m \bullet R = 30cm
θ = 6 0 o \bullet \theta = 60^o
g = 9.8 m / s 2 \bullet g = 9.8 m/s^2


The answer is 1.71464.

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Pranav Arora
May 9, 2014

Okay, sorry Anish, I was being too hasty and thought too much about the problem.

This is a simple energy conservation problem. m g R 2 = 1 2 m v 2 v = g R 1.714 m / s mg\frac{R}{2}=\frac{1}{2}mv^2 \Rightarrow v=\sqrt{gR}\approx 1.714\,m/s

I haven't figured out the reason for the second part yet.

I used energy conservation- mgRcos60=1/2 mv^2 mgR/2=1/2mv^2. after substituting the values v is nearly1.714 ms^-1

Sudipan Mallick - 7 years ago
Jiahai Feng
May 9, 2014

I won't present a solution for the first part, as it is identical the rest here.

I would like to point out that the particle WILL NEVER reach the bottommost point, while satisfying the constraint that the hoop remains in contact with the ground and does not slip.

Why?

Consider the situation when θ > 90 deg \theta >90\deg , in the frame of reference of the hoop(non-rotating). In order to force the particle into the circular motion, a radial centripetal force is required. The vertical component of this centripetal force points upwards, which cannot be exerted by the hoop, since a) the hoop is massless and has no weight, and b) normal force between ground and hoop must be positive.

Hence, once the particle reach the lower quadrant, the hoop will break contact with the ground, and the paradox is resolved.

In the non-ideal case of the hoop being of a non zero mass, the hopping will still occur, and happens at the point where the weight of the hoop cannot provide the necessary force to counteract the mass.

Jiahai Feng - 7 years, 1 month ago

I think in the frame of reference of the hoop downward component an inertial force is added to the to the weight of the hoop (in case the hoop has mass) which is equal to m/r times the square of the velocity of the particle hence the normal reaction always will increase as the particle hoops the hoop since velocity increases as the result of work done by gravity.

Manish Bhandari - 7 years, 1 month ago
Aalap Shah
May 9, 2014

Let M M be the mass of the hula loop. As there is no slipping, so u = ω R u=\omega R , where u u is the velocity of the centre of mass of the hula loop and ω \omega is its angular velocity.

Also, by simple vector addition, υ 2 = u 2 + ( ω R ) 2 + 2. u . ω R . c o s ( θ ) = 2 ( ω R ) 2 ( 1 + c o s ( θ ) ) { \upsilon }^{ 2 }={ u }^{ 2 }+{ (\omega { R }) }^{ 2 }+2.u.\omega R.cos(\theta )=2{ (\omega R) }^{ 2 }(1+cos(\theta ))

The energy conservation equation will actually contain 2 other terms for the rotational and translational kinetic energy of the hula loop, and hence will be: m g R ( 1 c o s ( θ ) ) = 1 2 m υ 2 + 1 2 M u 2 + 1 2 M R 2 ω 2 = m ( ω R ) 2 ( 1 + c o s ( θ ) ) + M R 2 ω 2 mgR(1-cos(\theta ))=\frac { 1 }{ 2 } m{ \upsilon }^{ 2 }+\frac { 1 }{ 2 } M{ u }^{ 2 }+\frac { 1 }{ 2 } M{ R }^{ 2 }{ \omega }^{ 2 }=m{ (\omega R) }^{ 2 }(1+cos(\theta ))+M{ R }^{ 2 }{ \omega }^{ 2 }

Thus, given a ratio between the mass of the loop and the mass of the particle, it is possible to find the angular velocity of the loop and hence the velocity of the particle at any angle θ \theta from the vertical.

But in this case, as it is given that the loop is 'light', so M 0 M\rightarrow 0 and hence we can neglect the two additional terms (of the kinetic energy of the hula loop) in all cases except one where 1 + c o s ( θ ) 0 1+cos(\theta )\rightarrow 0 i.e. θ 180 0 \theta \rightarrow { 180 }^{ 0 } . In that case, ω , u \omega ,u\rightarrow \infty although υ \upsilon will still be zero, and hence, it can be said that the potential energy will be converted into the kinetic energy of the 'light' hula loop.

In a practical situation, the mass of the loop will never be infinitely small and hence the loop will gain only a finite, but high angular velocity (which will get even higher as the loop is made lighter), hence not violating the energy conservation principle. (This also means that υ = 1.714 m / s \upsilon =1.714m/s is not an entirely correct answer)

I thought the same...

Manish Bhandari - 7 years, 1 month ago

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