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Logic Level 3

Calvin, Zandra, and Eli are students in Mr. Silverman's math class. Mr. Silverman hands each of them a sealed envelope with a number written inside.

He tells them that they each have a positive integer and the sum of the three numbers is 14. They each open their envelope and inspect their own number without seeing the other numbers.

Calvin says,"I know that Zandra and Eli each have a different number."
Zandra replies, "I already knew that all three of our numbers were different."
After a brief pause Eli finally says, "Ah, now I know what number everyone has!"

What number did each student get?

Format your answer by writing Calvin's number first, then Zandra's number, and finally Eli's number. For example, if Calvin has 8, Zandra has 12, and Eli has 8, the answer would be 8128.


The answer is 176.

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1 solution

Steven De Potter
Sep 11, 2016

First let's analyze Calvin's statement: "I know that Zandra and Eli each have a different number" From this statement we can conclude that Calvin has an odd number, only this will guarantee that Zandra and Eli have different numbers. (Only an odd number and an even number added to an odd number gets an even number in the end.)

Now, let's analyze Zandra's statement: "I already knew that all three of our numbers were different." This means she has an odd number and that the number must be high enough so that Calvin can't have the same odd number. Therefore she has to have either 7, 9, or 11.

Finally, let's analyze Eli's statement: "Now I know what all three of our numbers are." We have to look at all the possibilities left and then see in which case Eli can be absolutely certain what number the others have. The possibilities still left are:

Zandra has 11, Calvin must have 1, and Eli must have 2.

Zandra has 9, Calvin has either 1 or 3, in which case Eli must have 4, or 2 respectively.

Zandra has 7, Calvin has either 1, 3, or 5, in which case Eli must have 6, 4, or 2 respectively.

Only when Eli has 6, can he be certain about the number the others got, so he must have 6. When Eli has 6, Zandra must have 7, and Calvin must have 1. The answer is therefore 176.

what about 1211 or 329? (Zandra knows that Calvin has an odd number, because Calvin says,"I know that Zandra and Eli each have a different number.")

József B. Varga - 4 years, 7 months ago

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1 11 2 is not the answer because if zandra number is 11 she would have said her friends number correctly 1 and 2.but she said all are different.

Revanth Palla - 4 years, 4 months ago

I didn't analyze the third statement properly... Thanks.

Nelson M. Martinez - 4 years, 9 months ago

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You're most welcome.

Steven De Potter - 4 years, 9 months ago

what about 194 or 185?

A Former Brilliant Member - 4 years, 8 months ago

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185 is not possible. If Zandra had 8, she wouldn't have know from the start that both the others had a different number as 383 would have been possible.

194 is not possible either, because if Eli had a 4, he wouldn't be certain about the numbers the others got as both 194 and 374 would have been possible.

Steven De Potter - 4 years, 8 months ago

What about 167?

Aneesh Kundu - 4 years, 7 months ago

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Just in case, if you didn't read the instructions on which, please read them instead :)

If it was 1, 6, 7 for Calvin, Zandra, and Eli respectively . . . then Zandra wouldn't have known that all three numbers were different before Calvin spoke. (4, 6, 4 would have still be considered for Zandra in this case. Thus, not all numbers would necessarily be different)

"I already knew that all three of our numbers were different."

The word already wouldn't have been said if she didn't know before Calvin spoke . . . unless they're lying which then defeats the whole purpose of the puzzle :)

Math Nerd 1729 - 2 years, 6 months ago

With all due respect, I don't believe this analysis is quite correct. Take a close look at Zandra's statement, because the second word is key. She already knew that the three numbers had to be different; that is, even before Calvin made his statement, she knew the three numbers were distinct based solely on knowledge of her number alone. An examination of the possibilities shows that Zandra could only have had 11 in order for her to make that statement. This, combined with the other statements implies that 1112 is the answer.

Beau Grande - 4 years, 4 months ago

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If Zandra's number is an odd number 7 or higher then she can conclude (without knowing anything else) that the other 2 numbers are different, because the only way to add an odd number to 2 other numbers and come up with an even number is if the sum of the other 2 numbers is odd too, and that is only possible if one of the 2 numbers is even and the other is odd.

And, then, if Eli is certain about what all numbers are exactly, it has to be because based on the number he has there is only one possible solution that meets all other requirements. So, Eli's number has to be 6. If his number was 4, then he would not be able to tell if 1-9-4 or 3-7-4 was the answer. Similarly, if his number was 2, then he would not be able to tell if 1-11-2 or 3-9-2 or 5-7-2 was the answer. But if Eli's number is 6, then the only combination of values that meets all requirements is 1-7-6, there is no other possibility, which means Eli can be certain about the answer.

Elisa Gambon - 4 years, 4 months ago

what about 8 4 2 ?

Revanth Palla - 4 years, 4 months ago

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That wouldn't be possible because 8 (Calvin) 3 3, 4 (Calvin) 5 5, and 2 (Calvin) 6 6 would've been considered by Calvin.

Math Nerd 1729 - 2 years, 6 months ago

@Elisa Gambon - Excellent...thank your for that. I now see where my logic was wrong and too restrictive of the choices available to Zandra.

Beau Grande - 4 years, 4 months ago

How about 374???

David Lin - 1 year, 2 months ago

The analysis is incorrect

Balaraj Daniel - 9 months, 3 weeks ago

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