Climbing up the social ladder

Algebra Level 4

x x 4 = 4 , x x 2 + x x 8 = ? x^{x^4} = 4 \quad , \quad x ^ {x ^2 } + x^ {x ^8} = \ ?

x x is a real number.


The answer is 258.

This section requires Javascript.
You are seeing this because something didn't load right. We suggest you, (a) try refreshing the page, (b) enabling javascript if it is disabled on your browser and, finally, (c) loading the non-javascript version of this page . We're sorry about the hassle.

4 solutions

Let y = x 4 y = x^4 . Then we have x x 4 = x 4 ˙ x 4 4 = y y 4 = 4 x^{x^4} = x^{4\dot{}\frac{x^4}{4}} = y^{\frac{y}{4}} = 4

y y = 4 4 y = x 4 = 4 x = ( 2 2 ) 1 4 = 2 \implies y^y = 4^4 \implies y = x^4 = 4 \implies x = \left( 2^2 \right)^\frac{1}{4} = \sqrt{2}

x x 2 + x x 8 = 2 2 2 + 2 2 8 = 2 2 + 2 16 = 2 + 2 8 = 258 \implies x^{x^2} + x^{x^8} = \sqrt{2}^{ \sqrt{2}^2} + \sqrt{2}^{ \sqrt{2}^8} = \sqrt{2}^{2} + \sqrt{2}^{16} = 2 + 2^8 = \boxed{258}


In response to Moderator's note: We note that d d y y y = ( ln y + 1 ) y y > 0 \dfrac d{dy} y^y = (\ln y + 1)y^y > 0 for y > 1 e y > \frac 1e . Implying that y y y^y is an increasing function for y > 1 e y > \frac 1e . This means that y y = k y^y = k has an unique solution when k > 1 e 1 e k > \frac 1{e^\frac 1e} .

Moderator note:

Can you prove that y y = 4 4 y^y = 4^4 has a unique solution for y y ?

In response to Challenge Master :
If x x = n n x 1 n = n 1 x {x}^{x}={n}^{n}\\ \Rightarrow {x}^{\frac{1}{n}}={n}^{\frac{1}{x}} .
Thus, we need to find the points of intersection of the curves y = x 1 n y={x}^{\frac{1}{n}} and y = n 1 x y={n}^{\frac{1}{x}} . By studying the graph , we can conclude that there is a unique point of intersection of all positive integral values of n n . At n = 4 n=4 , the graph looks like this. graph graph

Rohit Ner - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

You don't need to use graph. Note that f ( x ) = x x f(x) = x^x is a strictly increasing function for x > 1 x >1 so it's one-to-one relation thus there's only one value of x x for x x = 256 x^x=256 , namely x = 4 x=4 .

Pi Han Goh - 5 years, 11 months ago

Log in to reply

Exactly! Actually It came to my notice after I posted the comment. :P

Rohit Ner - 5 years, 11 months ago

This is one of the Pre-RMO problem, click here to see the discussion.

Krishna Sharma - 5 years, 11 months ago

So I can equally just go ahead with: Notice that 2 2 4 = 4 = x x 4 {\sqrt{2}}^{\sqrt{2}^4} = 4 = x^{x^4} , hence x = 2 x=\sqrt{2} ? :)

Davy Ker - 5 years, 2 months ago

This is A Pre RMO Problem. I liked it.

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 9 months ago

Log in to reply

Ya but it is not even worth of algebra level 2.

D K - 2 years, 10 months ago

Simple,

Let y = x x x x \large y = x^{x^{x^{x^{\cdots}}}}

x y = y x x y = y Let y = 4 x x 4 = 4 x 4 = 4 x = 2 1 2 x x 2 = x 2 = 2 x x 8 = x 2 4 = x 16 = 2 8 = 256 \displaystyle \begin{aligned} x^y &= y\\x^{x^y}&=y\\ \text{Let } y&=4\\ \Rightarrow x^{x^4}&=4\\\Rightarrow x^4&=4\\\huge\Rightarrow x &= \huge 2^{\frac{1}{2}} \\x^{x^2}&=x^2\\&=\boxed{2}\\x^{x^8}&=x^{2^4}\\&=x^{16}\\&=2^8\\\Large&=\boxed{256}\end{aligned}

x x 2 + x x 8 = 258 \Huge\therefore \boxed{x^{x^2}+x^{x^8} = 258}

x^16=2^8 Typos found.

KyuHyeon Jeong - 4 years, 10 months ago

Log in to reply

Corrected. Thanks!

Kishore S. Shenoy - 4 years, 10 months ago

That is very clever!

Nicholas James - 4 years, 3 months ago
Andrew Yates
Jan 14, 2016

x = a 1 2 x x 4 = a a 2 2 = ( a a 2 ) 1 2 = 4 a a 2 = 16 x=a^{\frac{1}{2}} \\ x^{x^{4}} = a^{\frac{a^2}{2}} = (a^{a^2})^{\frac{1}{2}} = 4 \\ \Rightarrow a^{a^2} = 16

It's easy to see a = 2. Substituting back in gives us the correct value for x, which is 2 \sqrt{2} .

x x 4 = x x x x x x x x = ( 2 ) 4 . x = 2 . . . . . . . . . . . E x p . = 2 + 256 = 258 \large x^{x^4} =x^x*x^x*x^x*x^x =(\sqrt2)^4.~~~~~x=\sqrt2.......\\....Exp.=2+256=258

That is not how exponents work. Note that ( x x ) 4 x ( x 4 ) ( x^ x) ^ 4 \neq x^ { ( x^ 4) } .

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 2 months ago

an ingenuous and mistaken coincidence... unhappily too close of a non polite consideration...

Cleres Cupertino - 5 years, 10 months ago

Please verify your solution. You just got the answer through luck.

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 9 months ago

Try this problem. Good luck with guessing.

Bloons Qoth - 4 years, 4 months ago

0 pending reports

×

Problem Loading...

Note Loading...

Set Loading...