An algebra problem by KSHITIZ CHAUHAN

Algebra Level 3

let a , b , x , y a,b,x,y be all real numbers such that a 2 + b 2 = 81 a^2 +b^2 =81 , x 2 + y 2 = 121 x^2+y^2=121 and a x + b y = 99 ax+by=99 . then find the set of all possible values of a y b x ay-bx .

( 0 , 9 11 ) \left(0, \frac9{11} \right) { 0 } \{0\} ( 0 , 9 11 ] \left(0, \frac9{11} \right] [ 9 11 , ) \left[\frac9{11} , \infty\right )

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3 solutions

We know that ( a 2 + b 2 ) ( x 2 + y 2 ) = ( a x + b y ) 2 + ( a y b x ) 2 (a^2 + b^2)(x^2 + y^2) = (ax + by)^2 + ( ay - bx)^2

Putting the given values, we see that, ( a y b x ) 2 = 0 a y b x = 0 (ay-bx)^2 = 0 \implies ay -bx = 0

Wow, how did you know that identity? Any website or formulas page that has more algebraic formulas like this?

Akshat Jain - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Check this out: Brilliant : Advanced Factorization

B.S.Bharath Sai Guhan - 6 years, 7 months ago

KVPY 2011 question word to word!

Pankaj Joshi - 6 years, 8 months ago

This is cauchy Schwarz and we get a=9 and x=11 or b=9 and y=11

I Gede Arya Raditya Parameswara - 4 years, 2 months ago

By the Cauchy-Schwarz Inequality,

a x + b y a 2 + b 2 x 2 + y 2 ax + by \leq \sqrt{a^2 + b^2} \cdot \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}

Substituting the values given, we will see that the equation is hold.

The equation holds when

a x = b y \frac{a}{x} = \frac{b}{y}

Cross-multiplying and subtracting a y ay from both sides,

a x b y = 0 ax-by = 0

a^2+b^2=81 is an equation of circle with radius 9 units and centre at origin. Take a=9 Cos A , b=9 Sin A. Then the given straight line will be x Cos A + y Sin A=11 which is actually equation of the tangent to the bigger circle x^2 + y^2=121 at the point ( 11 Cos A, 11 Sin A). So x= 11 Cos A and y=11 Sin A. Thus ax-by will be equal to zero.

Somdutt Goyal - 6 years, 8 months ago

A geometric approach

Somdutt Goyal - 6 years, 8 months ago

Did the same way

I Gede Arya Raditya Parameswara - 4 years, 2 months ago

Hi there, Sanchayapol Lewgasamsarn. I just want to tell you that I was able to verify your answer for your problem "Is It Even Possible?" Although I wasn't able to post my solution because I made too many mistakes. My solution used computer code. I don't want to reveal the secret here, but with the computer code I was able to find another way to do it that requires less than 3% of the work. It still remains to prove that the conjecture is true though without verifying it using the computer. Do you already have a good solution to this problem?

James Wilson - 3 years, 3 months ago

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Let me know if you already know what I'm talking about or if you would like me to elaborate through email communication. Thanks.

James Wilson - 3 years, 3 months ago
Somdutt Goyal
Sep 28, 2014

a^{2}+b^{2}=81 is an equation of circle with radius 9 units and centre at origin. Take a=9 Cos A , b=9 Sin A. Then the given straight line will be x Cos A + y Sin A=11 which is actually equation of the tangent to the bigger circle x^{2} + y^{2}=121 at the point ( 11 Cos A, 11 Sin A). So x= 11 Cos A and y=11 Sin A. Thus ax-by will be equal to zero

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