The Denominator Is Ridiculously Large!

n 810 = 0. d 25 = 0. d 25 d 25 d 25 d 25 \frac{n}{ 810} = 0.\overline{d25} = 0.d25d25d25d25\ldots

For which positive integer n n , will d d be a digit?

582 690 750 781

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7 solutions

Utsav Banerjee
Aug 22, 2014

n 810 = 0. d 25 d 25 \frac{n}{810} = 0.d25d25 \ldots ( 0 d 9 0 \leq d \leq 9 )

So, n 810 × 1000 = d 25. d 25 = d 25 + n 810 \frac{n}{810}\times 1000 = d25.d25 \ldots = d25 +\frac{n}{810} .

Therefore, n 810 × 999 = d 25 \frac{n}{810} \times 999 =d25

or, n = ( d 25 ) × 30 37 n = (d25) \times \frac{30}{37} .

Since n is an integer, 37 ( d 25 ) 37 | (d25) .

So, d = 9 d = 9 and n = 750 n = 750 . \square

This steps true thanks

hisham alz - 4 years, 8 months ago

Seems the question is whether these methods compute a solution directly, or if one has to do a repetitive trial and error with multiples of 37 or 25 and have the answer option in hand to solve.

David Mann - 3 years, 2 months ago

SOUNDS COMPLICATED

AILLA DAY - 2 years, 5 months ago

Didn't understand

Gitesh Budhiraja - 3 years, 9 months ago

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I cannot make sense of this "explanation" !

John Conway - 3 years, 8 months ago

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Okay I'll do my best to explain some of this, but I'm very tired so feel free to add any corrections to spellings or if you think I explained it poorly. So, at the start, we make the assumption that d must be some natural number in [0,9]. The second line is analogous to changing series indexes (sort of), we're only really doing this multiplication in order to manipulate the digits in a way that is more convenient for us, no actual 'data' has been changed here. So we see a pattern we now recognise. Namely, k/999 for some rational number k, where 0<k<999. The RHS of line 2 is just another rewrite of the information we have. That is, n/810 * 1000 = d25 + n/810. We're doing this to acknowledge d25 's relationship with the term n/810. Note how we transitioned from a 'rational' form to an irrational form then back again to a rational form of this number, and all these 'expressions' do actually express the same thing! Working with the LHS and the RHS of line 2 it becomes now much easier to show that by taking away one factor of n/810 from each side we obtain line 3. This is, n/810 * 999 = d25. Simplifying, for n= (d25) * 30/37. You can plug these into your calculator to check! Not magic! The trick is to notice how to simplify the ratio 810/999. Depending on your calculator settings you might be able to quickly tweak it to display results in ratios (when possible) rather than in decimals. So, from line 4 we can deduce that since n is an integer, the RHS must also be an integer. Then we have that d25 is divisible by 37. Let's break it down a bit. Divisibility means that one whole number is divisible by another if, after dividing, the remainder is zero. So, given our d s in [0,9] we can simply check which of our 10 options it is by individually checking 025/37, 125/37, 225/37, 325/37 and so on. We can then deduce that d=9, and substituting back into line 4 we get n=750.

Claudia Molina - 3 years, 4 months ago

Just use options for solving, it wont take much long.

sahil seth - 6 years, 9 months ago

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And How do you do that?

Shubham Java - 5 years, 6 months ago

How do you do it if you are not given the options ???

John Conway - 3 years, 8 months ago

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It is so easy to try each of the four options to find the value of d . As a Mathematician I would find this to be the least satisfactory means of solving the problem , in fact it would be little more than plain cheating ! I have reviewed the initial explanation (posted by Utsav Banerjee) and it makes perfect sense now ! . It is true what to say that when you are tired it is best to take a break, have some sleep, and review things with a fresh brain and a fresh pair of eyes :-) . Claudia Molina, thank you too for that very detailed and very clearly presented explanation .

John Conway - 3 years, 4 months ago
Christian Daang
Sep 28, 2014

n/810 = (100d+25)/999

n = 810(100d + 25)/999 = 30(100d+25)/37

So, to become n be an integer, 100d+25 must divide 37

So, d must be: 9

so, therefore,

n = 30(925)/37

n = 750

Hakim Saikomiyaou
Aug 25, 2014

We know that : n/810 = 0.d25d25...

So 1000 * (n/810) = d25.d25...

then 999 * (n/810) = d25

and since 25 | d25 then 25 | n

because 810=5 * 9^2 and 999=111 * 9

so n=750

Did you really think it was ok to use the number 810 here?

Ryan Matthew - 3 years, 4 months ago

small typo, 810 = 5 2 9^2

David Mann - 3 years, 2 months ago
R M
Jun 23, 2016

0.d25... = d25/999 & 810:999 is 30:37 as ratio.

So ratio n:d25 is 30:37.

d25 is divisible by 25 and lowest common factor is 25x37 which = 925.

Therefore ratio 30:37 makes 750:925. n = 750 and d25 is 925

Daniel Grover
Aug 27, 2017

First I realized since all three digits are repeating could convert d 25 999 \frac{d25}{999} into a fraction. Then I started to prime factor 999 and came up with 9 x 111 = 9 x 3 x 37. Next, I prime factored 810 which equals 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 5 x 2. Next I tried to simplify a little, so I got rid of 9 on both sides, which left me with d 25 111 \frac{d25}{111} = n 90 \frac{n}{90} and then I remembered that if the digits of a number add up to a multiple of 3, it can be divided again. So I divided by 3 again: n 30 \frac{n}{30} = d 25 37 \frac{d25}{37} lol... then I solved for d because I had a feeling that either 125, 225, 325, 425, 525, 625, 725, 825, or 925 is divisible by 37. It look a long time, in fact, it took 9 tries lol, but I solved for d = 9. Then I plugged d into the original equation and i came up with n 810 \frac{n}{810} = 925 999 \frac{925}{999} . Then I simplified and it turned out 750 was the answer!

Carsten Meyer
Sep 8, 2019

Solution without trial and error

  • Let d { 0 ; ; 9 } d\in\{0;\:\ldots;9\} be the missing digit. Turn the periodic decimal into a fraction: n 810 = 0. d 25 = 100 d + 25 999 999 30 37 n 3000 d = 750 ( ) \begin{aligned} \frac{n}{810}&=0.\overline{d25}=\frac{100d+25}{999}&\left|\cdot999\right.&&\left|\cdot 30\right.&&\Rightarrow&&37n-3000d=750&&(*) \end{aligned}

  • The integers 37 , 3000 37,\:-3000 are relatively prime and we can be sure the Diophantine Equation ( ) (*) has (infinitely many) solutions. Let's use Euclid's Algorithm to solve it: n p n a n x n 2 3000 % 973 1 37 % 12 0 3 81 1 1 1 12 0 2 0 3 1 n = 750 973 + 3000 N d = 750 12 + 37 N , N Z \begin{aligned} \begin{array}{r|r|r|r} n&p_n&a_n&x_n\\ \hline-2&-3000&\%&\red{973}\\ -1&37&\%&\blue{12}\\ 0&-3&-81&1\\ 1&1&-12&0\\ 2&0&-3&1 \end{array}&&\Rightarrow&&\begin{aligned} n&=750\cdot \red{973}+3000N\\[.5em] d&=750\cdot \blue{12}+37N \end{aligned},&&N&\in\mathbb{Z} \end{aligned}

  • The restriction d { 0 ; ; 9 } d\in\{0;\:\ldots;\:9\} identifies the correct solution: d = 750 12 + 37 N ! { 0 ; ; 9 } N = 243 , d = 9 , n = 750 973 + 3000 N = 750 \begin{aligned} d&=750\cdot 12+37N\overset{!}{\in}\{0;\:\ldots;\:9\}&\Rightarrow&&N&=-243,&d&=9,&&&n&=750\cdot 973+3000N=\boxed{750} \end{aligned}

Yoon Ho Seol
May 16, 2016

Repeated decimals are expressed in fraction as m/9, m/99, m/999... And for 3 decimal repetition it is m/999. m/999= m/9 111= m/9 3 37 = m/27 37. If the divider is made of anything else that means it cannot have the 3 decimal pattern! So, let's look at the 810. 810 = 9 90= 27 30. The 30 shouldn't be there which means the denominator is also a product of 30 to cancel the divider's 30. n = #30. Looking at the pattern we see that m is a product of 25; m=d 100 +25 = d 4*25 +25. m = #25.
In order to display the 25 pattern with n/810 , n also needs to be a product of 25. n = #30 & n = #25, therefore n needs to be a product of 150. Which from the choice is 750.

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