A Parabola's Middle Coefficient

Algebra Level 3

The parabola y = a x 2 + b x + c y = ax^2 + bx + c (with a 0 a \neq 0 ) has vertex ( v , v ) (v,v) and y y -intercept ( 0 , v ) (0,-v) where v 0 v \neq 0 . Find the value of b b .


The answer is 4.

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9 solutions

Inu Nu
Nov 3, 2013

y = a x 2 + b x v y = ax^{2} + bx - v

d y d x = 2 a x + b \frac{dy}{dx} = 2ax + b

When d y d x = 0 \frac{dy}{dx} = 0 :

0 = 2 a x + b 0 = 2ax + b

0 = 2 a v + b 0 = 2av + b

2 a v = b 2av = -b

v = b 2 a v = \frac{-b}{2a}

When x = v x=v , y = v y=v :

v = a v 2 + b v v v = av^{2} + bv - v

2 v = a v 2 + b v 2v = av^{2} + bv

2 = a v + b 2 = av + b

2 = a ( b 2 a ) + b 2 = a(\frac{-b}{2a}) + b

2 = b 2 + b 2 = \frac{-b}{2} + b

2 = b 2 2 = \frac{b}{2}

b = 4 b = 4

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Irish Garzon - 7 years, 7 months ago

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Good luck!

Inu Nu - 7 years, 7 months ago

how can u differentiate it...

i want d reason..

Prince Hari - 7 years, 7 months ago

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differentiate it to find the coordinate of maximum or minimum point. At vertex, gradient of tangent is 0. Solve for value of v in terms of b

Rui-Xian Siew - 7 years, 7 months ago

why we should do differentiation

Viswakanth Kandala - 7 years, 7 months ago

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The vertex of a parabola will be either the minima or maxima of the curve. We can find either for a curve f(x) by solving f'(x) = 0. Hence, differentiation is done to find the coordinators of the vertex.

Likhit Dharmapuri - 7 years, 7 months ago

How did you replace 2ax+b by 2av+b in the 5th line?

Rajesh Rao - 7 years, 7 months ago
Danish Mohammed
Nov 3, 2013

First consider the y-intercept. At this point x = 0 x = 0 and y = v y = -v where v 0 v \neq 0 . Substituting x = 0 x = 0 and y = v y = -v in y = a x 2 + b x + c y = a x^2 + b x + c we get v = c -v = c or v = c v = -c . Note that c 0 c \neq 0 because v 0 v \neq 0 .

Now again consider the expression y = a x 2 + b x + c y = a x^2 + b x + c where a 0 a \neq 0 . As this expression represents a parabola we can simplify it to the form ( y k ) = a x h 2 (y - k) = a {x - h}^2 where ( h , k ) (h, k) is the vertex.

By completing the square and rearranging we get

y 4 a c b 2 4 a = a x b 2 a 2 y - \frac{4ac - b^2}{4a} = a {x - \frac{-b}{2a}}^2 .

Therefore the vertex is ( b 2 a , 4 a c b 2 4 a ) ( \frac{-b}{2a} , \frac{4ac - b^2}{4a} )

b 2 a = v = 4 a c b 2 4 a \frac{-b}{2a} = v = \frac{4ac - b^2}{4a}

or b 2 a = c = 4 a c b 2 4 a \frac{-b}{2a} = -c = \frac{4ac - b^2}{4a}

taking the left and right equalities separately we obtain

b = 2 a c b = 2ac and b 2 = 8 a c b^2 = 8ac

Substituting the first expression in the second we get a c = 2 ac = 2

Therefore b = 2 a c = ( 2 ) ( 2 ) = 4 b = 2ac = (2)(2) = 4 .

Correction in sixth line ( y k ) = a ( x h ) 2 (y - k) = a(x - h)^2

Danish Mohammed - 7 years, 7 months ago
Fengyu Seah
Nov 3, 2013

Since the vertex of the parabola is at ( v , v ) (v,v) , the equation of the parabola can thus be rewritten as y = a ( x v ) 2 + v y = a(x-v)^2+v .

Substituting the coordinates of the y y -intercept ( 0 , v ) (0,-v) into this equation, v = a ( v ) 2 + v -v = a(-v)^2+v .

Simplifying, we get 2 v = a v 2 -2v=av^2 . Thus, a = 2 v a=\frac{-2}{v} .

Expanding the above equation of the parabola, y = a x 2 2 a v x + a v 2 + v y = ax^2-2avx+av^2+v .

Therefore, equating this with the original equation, b = 2 a v = 2 × 2 v × v = 4 b=-2av=-2\times\frac{-2}{v}\times v=\boxed{4} .

I think your explanation is the best, nice and clear! Thanks!

Christopher Boo - 7 years, 7 months ago

good job bro

Mon Teruel - 7 years, 7 months ago
Avineil Jain
Feb 7, 2014

Since point(v,v) lies on the parabola, v= av^{ 2 } + bv +c .................. (1) Also, we know that vertex of a parabola is given by x= -b/2a So, -b/2a=v ................... (2) Also, (0,-v) lies on the parabola, which means c = -v . Subs this value in equation (1) to get v= (2-b)/a ................... (3) from equation (2) and (3), eliminate a to get b=4

Bhargav Das
Nov 5, 2013

Clearly, the graph is opening down-wards (since, vertex lies in the first quadrant and y y -intercept is negative). Vertex is given ( v , v ) (v,v) (lies in the 1st quadrant), hence maximum value of the quadratic polynomial takes place at x = v x=v and the maximum value is v v itself.

That is, a v 2 + b v + c = v av^{2}+bv+c=v

Also, when x = 0 x=0 , a x 2 + b x + c = y ax^{2}+bx+c=y will be: c = v c=-v ( y y -intercept is given)

i . e . i.e. a v 2 + b v v = v av^{2}+bv-v=v = > a v + b = 2 =>av+b=2 ---- ( ) (*)

Also, b 2 a = v \frac{-b}{2a}=v (given),which gives b 2 v = a \frac{-b}{2v}=a

Putting value of a a in ( ) (*) , we get,

b v 2 v + b = 2 \frac{-bv}{2v}+b=2 = > b b 2 = 2 =>b-\frac{b}{2}=2 = > b = 4 =>b=\boxed{4}

Zhengxi Gao
Jul 6, 2019

Since we have known that the parabola has vertex (v,v),we can simplify it to.Because of y-intercept (0,-v) ,we also got y = ax^{2} + bx - v.It gives us a(x-v)^{2}+v=ax^{2}+bx-v.Expanding this equation,we got ax^{2}-2avx+av^{2}+v=ax^{2}+bx-v.Therefore,we obtain -2av=b and av^{2}+v=-v.So we will get av=-2 and b=4.

Rui-Xian Siew
Nov 8, 2013

Using calculus or method of completing the square,it is found that the vertex has x and y coordinate= b 2 a \frac{-b}{2a} =v. The y-intercept=c=-v. Given that the coordinate of vertex is (v,v), we knew that at the vertex the equation becomes

v=a v 2 v^{2} +bv-v

We get v= 2 b a \frac{2-b}{a} . Take the value of v from the first sentence above, we get

2 b a \frac{2-b}{a} = b 2 a \frac{-b}{2a}

solving for b and get b= 4 \boxed{4}

nice

Mon Teruel - 7 years, 7 months ago
Shobha Bagai
Nov 4, 2013

Equation of the parabola with vertex at (v, v) can be written as (y - v) = a(x - v)^2. It also passes through the point (0, -v). This gives the value of a as -2/v. Substitute value of a, expand and compare coeffecients.

Sazzad Sayyed
Nov 3, 2013

We can re-write the equation as (x-v)2=4A(y-v). now plugging in the value of x=0 and y=-v we get the value of A=(-v)/8. then expanding our previous equation and comparing it with the given one gives us the value b=4

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