Equal Quadratics?

Find the number of pairs of integers x x and y y that satisfy the equation

x 2 = 2 y 2 8 y + 3. x^2=2y^2-8y+3 .

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Chung Kevin
Aug 17, 2016

Relevant wiki: Using the Quadratic Formula

By rearranging the equation, and rewrite it as a quadratic equation of y y , we have y 2 ( 2 ) + y ( 8 ) + ( 3 x 2 ) = 0 y^2 (2) + y(-8) + (3-x^2) = 0 . Using the quadratic formula , we have a = 2 , b = 8 , c = 3 x 2 a = 2, b = -8, c = 3-x^2 , then y = b ± b 2 4 a c 2 a = ( 8 ) ± ( 8 ) 2 4 ( 2 ) ( 3 x 2 ) 2 ( 2 ) = 2 ± 10 + 8 x 2 2 . y = \dfrac{-b \pm \sqrt{b^2-4ac}}{2a} = \dfrac{-(-8) \pm \sqrt{(-8)^2 - 4(2)(3-x^2)}}{2(2)} = 2 \pm \dfrac{\sqrt{10+8x^2}}2. Since we're solving for integers x x and y y , we must have 10 + 8 x 2 2 = m \dfrac{\sqrt{10+8x^2}}2 = m , where m m is some integer. Rearranging this equation gives 10 + 8 x 2 = 4 m 2 5 + 4 x 2 = 2 m 2 10 + 8x^2 = 4m^2\Rightarrow 5 + 4x^2 = 2m^2 which shows that an odd number plus an even number yields an even number, which is absurd. Hence, there is no solution.

I believe you applied the quadratic formula incorrectly.

Andre Bourque - 2 years, 10 months ago

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Hi Andre, I believed it's correct. Nevertheless, I've added a few more steps for clarity.

Chung Kevin - 2 years, 9 months ago
Barack Clinton
Oct 21, 2016

Since every square is 0 0 or 1 m o d 4 1 \mod 4 , we have if y y is even, say y = 2 k y=2k then 2 ( 2 k ) 2 8 ( 2 k ) + 3 3 m o d 4 2(2k)^2-8(2k)+3\equiv 3\mod 4 and this possibility can be ruled out, so y y must be odd. This time reducing modulo 8 8 we obtain; 2 ( 2 k + 1 ) 2 8 ( 2 k + 1 ) + 3 5 m o d 8 2(2k+1)^2-8(2k+1)+3\equiv 5\mod 8 . But the only squares m o d 8 \mod 8 are 0 , 1 , 4 0,1,4

Thanks for this, it's really slick

Gaurav Dabas - 1 year, 5 months ago
Kushal Bose
Aug 16, 2016

y 2 8 y + ( 3 x 2 ) = 0 y^2-8 y+(3-x^2)=0

Using Sridharachariya's Rule and after simplifying

y = 4 ± 2 x 2 10 2 y=\dfrac{4\pm \sqrt{2 x^2-10}}{2}

So the discriminant part 2 x 2 10 \sqrt{2 x^2-10} will be a perfect square

Now consider 2 x 2 10 = m 2 2 x^2-10=m^2 where m m is an integer.

Left side is even so right will also be even

Then putting m = 2 p m=2 p where p I p \in \mathbb{I}

Then equation becomes
2 x 2 10 = 4 p 2 2 x^2-10=4 p^2

x 2 5 = 2 p 2 x^2-5=2 p^2

Now right side is even so left side will also be even.So x x will be odd integer.

So x = 2 l + 1 x=2 l+1 .putting this in the equation it becomes

4 l 2 + 4 l + 1 5 = 2 k 2 4 l^2+4 l+1-5=2 k^2

k 2 = 2 ( l 2 + l 1 ) k^2=2 (l^2+l-1)

k 2 = 2 ( l ( l + 1 ) 1 ) k^2=2 (l (l+1) -1)

We know that l ( l + 1 ) l (l+1) is always even .So even -odd is always odd.But left hand side is a perfect square and there is already a factor 2 is present .To become a perfect square there should be another factor 2 is needed but the expression ( l ( l + 1 ) 1 ) (l (l+1)-1) is always odd.

So L.H.S. cannot be a perfect square.So there is no integral solution.

Anik Mandal
Sep 10, 2016

We know that LHS x 2 x^{2} is a non-negative integer.

But the RHS 2 y 2 8 y + 3 2y^2-8y+3 :If we check the Discriminant it turns out to be positive ,implying that the result of the quadratic is always negative.

But a non-negative number cannot equal a positive number.Hence there are no solutions.

Without doing any major calculations, it is actually quite obvious why there is no integral solutions to the following equation:

x 2 = 2 y 2 8 y + 3 x^{2} = 2y^{2} - 8y + 3

By Completing the Square on the right hand side, the equation above becomes:

x 2 = 2 ( y 2 ) 2 5 x^{2} = 2(y-2)^{2} - 5

From here, one can avoid any calculations that the previous solutions may have given and conclude that no solutions would exist because Difference of Perfect Squares performed on the right hand side would contain a 2 \sqrt{2} component, which immediately should raise any red flags.

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