A geometry problem by SKYE RZYM

Geometry Level 1

If points A , B , C , D , E , F , G , H , I A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I all lie on a circle, as shown above, find A + B + C + D + E + F + G + H + I \angle A+\angle B+\angle C+\angle D+\angle E+\angle F+\angle G+\angle H+\angle I in degrees.

3 0 30 ^ \circ 6 0 60 ^ \circ 9 0 90 ^ \circ 12 0 120 ^ \circ 15 0 150 ^ \circ 18 0 180 ^ \circ

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12 solutions

Dan Ley
Apr 23, 2017

If O O is the centre of the circle: We can apply this to the entire circle: Then clearly 2 A + 2 B + 2 C + 2 D + 2 E + 2 F + 2 G + 2 H + 2 I = 36 0 2\angle A + 2\angle B + 2\angle C + 2\angle D + 2\angle E + 2\angle F + 2\angle G + 2\angle H + 2\angle I = 360^\circ .

So A + B + C + D + E + F + G + H + I = 18 0 \angle A + \angle B + \angle C + \angle D + \angle E + \angle F + \angle G + \angle H + \angle I = 180^\circ .

Very neat!

John Nicholson - 4 years, 1 month ago

Yes, Nice! Or you can reduce this complex figure to a triangle whose vertices lie on the circumference. : )

Vishwash Kumar ΓΞΩ - 4 years, 1 month ago

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How do you mean?:)

Dan Ley - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Yup. Visual inspection, for us the mathematically ignorant!

Judy Nelson - 4 years, 1 month ago

Nice approach! We can use this method to find the sum of any polygon that can be inscribed in a circle.

Even if the vertices of the 9-pointed star did not lie on a circle, the sum of the angles would still remain 18 0 180^\circ . Can we extend this solution to show that the sum of angles of any 9-pointed star of this form is 18 0 180^\circ ?

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years, 1 month ago

How can the O be 2a?

Liza Khan - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Circle theorem:)

Dan Ley - 4 years, 1 month ago

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You call it circle theorem, I just wanna ask if there were any names else to named this theorem

Kieu Tram Le - 2 years, 10 months ago
Roger Erisman
Apr 17, 2017

An inscribed angle has a measure = 1/2 of its arc. Since all of the angles have a total arc of 360 then the sum of the angles is 180.

Marta Reece
Apr 18, 2017

Ordinary 9-sided polygon would have sum of internal angles ( n 2 ) × 18 0 (n-2)\times180^\circ . Self-intersecting polygon has that minus the number of times the line goes around the center times 36 0 360^\circ . In this case

( 9 2 ) × 18 0 3 × 36 0 = 7 × 18 0 6 × 18 0 = 18 0 (9-2)\times180^\circ-3\times360^\circ=7\times180^\circ-6\times180^\circ=180^\circ

Nice, this method doesn't require the condition of "being inscribed in a circle". For any nine-pointed star of this form, the sum of internal angles at the vertices would be 18 0 180^\circ .

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years, 1 month ago

Could you clarify what you mean by "the number of time the line goes around the center"? What line?

Janet Bryson - 4 years ago
Bryan Hung
Apr 24, 2017

A classic solution worth mentioning: Take a pencil and place it on line HD. Rotate about H to HC, rotate about C to CG, and so on. The pencil traverses the star, and upon returning to HD, it has rotated 180 degrees. Since every time it rotated, it added the angle of rotation to the net rotation, the sum of the angles must be 180 degrees.

I always love the rotating pencil idea :)

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 1 month ago

cool idea:)

Neetesh Vyas - 4 years, 1 month ago
Paul Pearl
Apr 25, 2017

As you trace out the pattern without lifting your pencil, at every point the slope of your line increases by the included angle of the star points. Thus the slope of the penultimate line relative to the first line drawn is just the sum of all of the preceding included angles. When you arrive at the penultimate point, join it to the start position thus leaving two angles undefined, one at the start point and one at the end point. The sum of the included angles of a triangle including these two undefined angles and the last sloping line must equal 180 degrees. But this is just the sum of all of the included angles of the points. This proof does not depend on the number of points nor does it require the points to lie on a circle. QED.

Be careful, there are some kinds of stars where the sum of angles may not be 180 degrees, like this one:

We would need to modify the approach slightly to find the sum of angles in this case.

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years, 1 month ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Apr 28, 2017

At point A (for instance), we turn over an angle of 18 0 A 180^\circ - \angle A . The total angle over which we turn when tracing the path is 180 n i , 180\ n - \sum \angle_i, where n = 9 n = 9 is the number of angles and i \angle_i runs through each of them.

Since we end up where we started, this total angle must be a multiple of 36 0 360^\circ . If m m is the number of full revolutions, then 360 m = 180 n i 360\ m = 180\ n - \sum \angle_i or i = 180 n 360 m . \sum \angle_i = 180\ n - 360\ m.

Tracing the path carefully shows that m = 4 m = 4 . But for this multiple choice question we even don't need this. After all, 180 n 360 m = 180 ( n 2 m ) 180\ n - 360\ m = 180(n - 2m) is a multiple of 180 degrees, and there is only one option given for which this is true.

The answer is 180 ( 9 2 4 ) = 180 1 = 18 0 . 180(9 - 2\cdot 4) = 180\cdot 1 = 180^\circ.

Matt Levett
Apr 28, 2017

There are 9 points. Only 2 of the solutions were divisible by 9 with a whole number, 90 and 180. Eyeballed it and saw the surface area of the shaded part was more than a quarter of the circle which leaves 180

Why must the answer be divisible by 9?

Christopher Boo - 4 years, 1 month ago
Jerry McKenzie
Apr 27, 2017

It's a 9 sided polygon that crosses itself 4 times. So ( 9 2 4 ) ( 180 ) = ( 9 8 ) 180 = 180 (9-2\cdot 4)(180)=(9-8)\cdot 180=180

This is a modified formula of the sum of the interior angles of and exterior polygon being ( n 2 ) 180 180 n 360 (n-2)\cdot 180 \iff 180n-360

Since it crosses itself 3 times, and the fourth closes itself, then we multiply 360 with 4. Generally 180 n 360 c 180 ( n 2 c ) 180n-360c \iff 180(n-2c) with n sides and c crosses/closures.

Never seen that interesting formula before, but what do you mean by "crosses itself"? If I find the intersections of edges I get way more than 4.

Christopher Boo - 4 years, 1 month ago
D C
Apr 30, 2017

B F \overline{BF} can be seen as a rotation of A F \overline{AF} F C W F^\circ CW . Similarly, B G \overline{BG} can be seen as a rotation of B F \overline{BF} B C W B^\circ CW . Continuing this pattern eventually gets you back to A F \overline{AF} after 9 rotations. Therefore since A F \overline{AF} is a rotation of itself at 18 0 C W 180^\circ CW , and this rotation was the sum of the rotations of F C W F^\circ CW , B C W B^\circ CW , ... E C W E^\circ CW , and A C W A^\circ CW .

A + B + + H + I = 18 0 \therefore \angle A + \angle B + \ldots + \angle H + \angle I = \boxed{180^\circ}

M H
Apr 30, 2017

Total circle is 2×pi. Therefore total angles makes half of it; pi.

Stewart Gordon
Apr 28, 2017

A method from my school days for seeing that the angles in a triangle add up to 18 0 180^\circ is to lay a pencil along one of the sides and rotate it about each of the vertices in turn. In the course of the operation, the pencil rotates through 18 0 180^\circ in total. I essentially applied the same process to this star.

Edward Wechner
Apr 24, 2017

It is tempting to call the solution 180° but it isn't. I went to the trouble to actually draw it up a number of times and came sometimes close to 180° but with large deviations. I suspect there is a condition missing to make it 180°

What large deviations? Are you sure your measurements are accurate?

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 1 month ago

Using my "extreme-case" method, the maximum angle at 'A' is 180°, i.e. it would form a triangle approaching a straight line, which would cover the whole circle. (And of course, all other points, independetly of their number, here 9, would just overlap.)

Alkis Piskas - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Yup, taking the limiting cases can give a good idea of what the answer is. We can do it because there is no restriction on the placement of the points on the circle. In this case, as we bring all the points to one point, we need to be careful while figuring out which angles tend to zero and which ones tend to 18 0 180^\circ .

This is another type of 9-pointed star. How would we find the limiting case of this star?

Pranshu Gaba - 4 years, 1 month ago

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