A Quadratic Game

Algebra Level 3

Brilli the Ant is playing a game with Brian Till, her best friend. They are very competitive and always want to beat each other. Today, they are going to play the quadratic game.

Brilli is going to pick 3 non-zero real numbers and Brian is going to arrange the three numbers as the coefficients of a quadratic equation:

____ x 2 + ____ x + ____ = 0. \text{\_\_\_\_ }x^2 +\text{\_\_\_\_ }x +\text{\_\_\_\_} = 0.

Brilli wins the game if and only if the resulting equation has two distinct rational solutions.

Who has a winning strategy?

Brilli Brian Neither of them Not enough information

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4 solutions

Eddie The Head
Apr 16, 2014

All Brilli needs to do is choose 3 distinct rational numbers a , b , c a,b,c such that a + b + c = 0 a+b+c = 0 . Let the polynomial be f ( x ) = A x 2 + B x + C f(x) = Ax^2 + Bx + C where A , B , C A,B,C are some permutations of a , b , c a,b,c .

Clearly no matter how Brian arranges it we will have f ( 1 ) = A + B + C = a + b + c = 0 f(1) = A+B+C = a+b+c = 0 So the polynomial has a root at x = 1 x = 1 .

The other root is at C / A C/A which is also clearly rational and not equal to 1 1 and hence the equation has distinct roots.

So Brilli \textbf{Brilli} has a winning strategy.

I think a similar problem was once used in the USA IMO training camp.

brillant question

shivani jadhav - 7 years, 1 month ago

Brilliant.eddie.

Adarsh Kumar - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks!! :)

Eddie The Head - 7 years, 1 month ago

omg! wow

Shashvat Shukla - 7 years, 1 month ago

Wow.brilliant job..

Mehbuba Hossain - 7 years, 1 month ago

like if you guessed and hoped to get it right so that you could upgrade!

eduardo duran - 7 years, 1 month ago

what is permutations?

Jonathan Moey - 7 years, 1 month ago

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It means arrangements.

Eddie The Head - 7 years, 1 month ago

it is used in lecture notes

Srivathsan Veeramani - 6 years, 9 months ago
Ilya Andreev
Sep 16, 2014

Have a look at the discriminant.

D = b 2 4 a c D=b^2-4ac

Brian's goal is to make it zero or negative. Assuming all numbers are non-zero, this can happen only if

4 a c > 0 4ac>0

Brian is now limited to picking either two positive numbers for a , c a, c or two negative in order to maintain the product positive. Here comes the problem: if Brilli gives him only one negative, it has to go as b b . Now Brilli picks a stupidly large negative and two tiny positives and insta-wins.

Brian's goal is to make it zero or negative.

Not true. Brian can still win if D \sqrt{D} is irrational. You probably missed that part of the problem statement.

Mursalin Habib - 1 year, 7 months ago

Obviously Brilli can put a number that can not be arranged in any way to get a quadratic equation that has real roots

Moderator note:

This solution is incorrect.

But why Brili will put a number so that the quadratic equation does not gets real roots. I think that will be losing strategy, not a winning stategy. Because for Brili to win, the equation must have real and distinct roots. If the equation does not have real roots, brian automatically wins

Pradumna Krishna Shukla - 7 years, 1 month ago
Marvin Chong
Feb 8, 2020

Building on Eddie The Head's solution,

Let f(x) be A x 2 + B x + C Ax^2 + Bx + C ,

Since x = 1 is a factor of f(x),

f(x) = (x-1)[Ax+(A+B)] + (A+B+C)

Since A + B + C = 0 and A+B = - C,

f(x) = (x-1)(Ax-C)

As according to remainder theorem, when Ax - C = 0, f(x) = 0, therefore, x = C A \frac{C}{A} is another distinct rational solution since C and A are both non-zero real solutions.

Thus, as long as A + B + C = 0, Brilli has the winning strategy.

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