Frictional torque

A uniform solid right-circular cone of mass M M and radius R R is kept on a rough horizontal floor (coefficient of friction μ \mu ) on its circular base. It is spun with initial angular velocity ω 0 \omega_{0} about its symmetry axis. Neglecting toppling effects (if any), find the time after which it stops spinning.


Details and Assumptions:

  • Take the moment of inertia of the cone about its symmetry axis as I I .

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I ω 0 3 m R g μ \frac{I\omega_{0}}{3mRg\mu} 2 I ω 0 m R g μ \frac{2I\omega_{0}}{mRg\mu} 3 I ω 0 m R g μ \frac{3I\omega_{0}}{mRg\mu} 2 I ω 0 3 m R g μ \frac{2I\omega_{0}}{3mRg\mu} I ω 0 2 m R g μ \frac{I\omega_{0}}{2mRg\mu}

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1 solution

Rohith M.Athreya
Jan 19, 2017

Relevant wiki: Torque - Dynamical Behavior

In the first look it may appear that the normal reaction is uniformly distributed over the base of the cone. However, this is not true.

Let us note the symmetry of pressure distribution and understand that it is a radial function.

Intuitively, one could say that the pressure at a point on the base is only due to the mass vertically above it. That is P ( r ) = ρ g h P(r) = \rho gh where ρ \rho is the density of the mass distribution on cone and h h is the height of the mass directly above it.

You may verify this by taking the integral of normal force up to an arbitrary radial distance r and equating it to the mass directly above this disc.

Now that we have established this, by similarity of triangles, P ( r ) = ρ g H ( 1 r R ) . P(r)=\rho gH \left(1-\frac{r}{R} \right). Where, H H and R R are the height and radius of the cone. The density of cone ρ = 3 M π R 2 H . \rho = \frac{3M}{\pi R^2H}.

Now consider a ring of radius r < R r<R of thickness d r dr on the base of the cone. The normal reaction acting on this ring will be N = P ( r ) 2 π r d r . N = P(r) 2 \pi r dr. The frictional torque on this ring abut the symmetry axis will be μ N r . \mu N r.

The net torque of friction will be 0 R μ P ( r ) × ( 2 π r d r ) × r . \int _{0}^{R} \mu P(r) \times (2\pi rdr) \times r. 0 R 2 π μ r 2 ρ g H ( 1 r R ) d r . \int_{0}^{R} 2\pi \mu r^{2}\rho gH \left(1-\frac{r}{R} \right) dr. On plugging in the values and intergrating we will get τ = m μ R g 2 . \tau = \frac{m\mu Rg}{2}. Now, according to the rotational form of Newton's Second law τ = m μ R g 2 = I α . \tau = \frac{m\mu Rg}{2} = I\alpha. Also, α = ω 0 t . \alpha = \dfrac{\omega_0}{t}.

Therefore, on solving t = 2 ω 0 I μ m g R . t= \boxed{\dfrac{2 \omega_0 I}{\mu mgR}}.

Moderator note:

Solid approach, the position dependence of the pressure makes it pretty tricky. Rohit found the scaling behavior of the pressure using the approach of similar triangles. To give some context to that step, imagine dividing the base of the cone into thin concentric rings of width Δ r . \Delta r. To great approximation, the volume of cone above the ring is given by the local circumference, times the height at that point, times Δ r , \Delta r, e.g. V = 2 π r × Δ r × H ( r ) . V = 2\pi r \times \Delta r \times H(r). The local height clearly decreases linearly from the center of the cone to the outer rim such that it is zero at r = R . r=R. This suggests that H ( r ) = H 0 ( 1 r / R ) . H(r) = H_0\left(1-r/R\right). From there it's a matter of converting volume to mass, and normalizing by the area of the ring.

Nice question did the same! :)

Prakhar Bindal - 4 years, 4 months ago

good question

neelesh vij - 4 years, 4 months ago

Nice solution

Md Zuhair - 4 years, 3 months ago

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thanks and i'd like to menttion that someone(most likely rohit gupta)made the solution much better than it originally was

Rohith M.Athreya - 4 years, 3 months ago

This is a good problem as one has to think about how the pressure is varying at the bottom surface. At first, it may appear that the pressure should be uniformly distributed, although that is not the case. Pressure is maximum at the center and decreases linearly to zero at the circumference.

Moreover, this will come only if we consider the surfaces in contact to be absolutely regular. If there are any deformations or irregularities in the surfaces then the pressure may vary in a very different manner depending on the shape of the irregularity.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years, 3 months ago

That looks like the hat I used to wear in school. But the one I had had a D on it. Luckily my name was David as I am sure that's why I was made to wear it.

Yogi Bear - 2 years, 11 months ago

Something strange : with such a repartition of pressure $$\sigma zz = \rho g z (1-frac{r}{z.tan\theta}$$, (where \theta is the half-angle of th cone), then the shear strain $$\sigma rz$$ tends to infinity in 1/r near the center of the cone. Then it seems dubious that this could be possible even for a solid with a very high Young modulus.

Patrick Berger - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Thank you pointing this out. It's been a while since I worked this out. I'll get back to you soon.

Rohith M.Athreya - 2 years, 7 months ago

If the cone is rigid and flat, and resting on a flat surface (and note that have to make these assumptions in order to get an answer at all), the pressure will divide evenly over the area. To illustrate my point: imagine a spinning top, it spins well without much deceleration. Now mount its tip on a lightweight disk. Will it spin just as well? No, not at all, because the pressure spreads over the disk.

So P = Mg/πR² and τ = ∫ r μPdA = μP∫r2πrdr = 2πμP∫r²dr = 2πμPR³/3 = 2μMgR/3, so that the right anwer is t = IΔω/τ = 3Iω/2μMgR which is not among the given options. It could also be expressed as 9Rω/10μg.

K T - 2 years, 5 months ago

We didn't even try, that was as easy as like guessing. Bring it on pal, ye mums a fridge

Pseudonymous Being - 2 years, 5 months ago

How many solvers now Rohith?

Anirudh Chandramouli - 4 years, 4 months ago

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