Find the limit
x → ∞ lim x ln x ! x x .
Note: For great honor, solve it without WolframAlpha.
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How does one go from the summation to the integral you derived?
It is a Riemann integral.
x → ∞ lim x ln x ! x x = x → ∞ lim x ln 2 π x e x = x → ∞ lim x x − ln 2 π x = 1
First of all, credit to a guy named "Matthew S." for helping me. I'm not sure if he's on this site.
x → ∞ lim x ln x ! x x = ∞ ∞
Use l'Hôpital's rule:
x → ∞ lim d x d ( x ) d x d ( ln x ! x x ) = x → ∞ lim d x d ( ln x ! x x ) = x → ∞ lim d x d ( ln x x − ln x ! ) = x → ∞ lim d x d [ x ln x − ( ln x + ln ( x − 1 ) + ln ( x − 2 ) + ⋯ + ln ( 2 ) + ln ( 1 ) ) ] = x → ∞ lim ln x + 1 − ( x 1 + x − 1 1 + x − 2 1 + ⋯ + 0 + 0 ) x 1 + x − 1 1 + x − 2 1 + ⋯ + 0 + 0 ≈ ln x + γ + ϵ 0
= x → ∞ lim ln x + 1 − ln x + γ + ϵ 0 = 1 + γ + ϵ 0
The error, γ and ϵ 0 , goes to 0 with more terms, so just
1
Thank you for posting a detailed solution. It is still concise but also instructive for those looking for understanding behind the solution.
Can be solved easily using limit as a sum concept.
Above written question is summation of (1/x)*ln(x/r) with r varying from 1 to x.
Replacing 1/x with dn and r/x with n wet get ((integral of 0 to 1) ln(1/n))dn which on solving yields 1 as answer.
Please reply if you don't know why I replaced 1/x with dn and r/x with n.
@prakash......plz xplain it further
I have made a note regarding this named Solving limits using integration. Please check that. Link
When x → ∞ , the expression ln ( x ! x x ) also tends to infinity, because x x grows faster than x ! . Then, the limit has to be calculated by looking at the growing rates of the nominator and the denominator.
Hypothesis: x ! x x grows as fast as a x , (where a is a constant) when x → ∞ . Therefore:
lim x → ∞ x ln ( x ! x x ) = lim x → ∞ x ln ( a x ) = lim x → ∞ x x ⋅ ln ( a ) = ln ( a )
If the above hypothesis is true, then each term of the sequence determined by x ! x x has to be equal to the previous term times the constant a when x → ∞ . That is:
( x + 1 ) ! ( x + 1 ) ( x + 1 ) = a x ! x x a = x x ( x + 1 ) ( x + 1 ) ⋅ ( x + 1 ) ! x ! a = ( x + 1 ) ⋅ x x ( x + 1 ) ( x + 1 ) a = x x ( x + 1 ) x a = ( 1 + x 1 ) x
If x → ∞ , then we see that value of a is obtained by the fundamental limit:
a = lim x → ∞ ( 1 + x 1 ) x = e
Finally:
lim x → ∞ x ln ( x ! x x ) = ln ( a ) = ln ( e ) = 1
As x tends to infinity the following facts are worth noting; 1:x^x will reach infinity quicker than x! and is therefore infinite times bigger than x! (this because its a super exponential function which grows faster than a factorial one) 2:log of infinity is still infinity and 3:infinity/infinity is 1. As a result the numerator will become log(infinity) which is still infinity and the denominator is also infinity therefore the answer is 1. (and NO I did not even touch Wolfram Alpha or Mathematica for that matter on this occasion).
Like Jack Rawlin's solution, your solution has been marked wrong.
First some facts
x x > x !
x x = 1
I n ∞ = ∞
So let's put in ∞ as our x
x → ∞ lim ∞ I n ∞ ! ∞ ∞
Since ∞ ∞ is ∞ times larger than ∞ ! we can say that ∞ ! ∞ ∞ = ∞ .
∞ I n ∞
We also know that I n ∞ = ∞ so
∞ ∞ = 1
So the limit is 1
This solution has been marked wrong. You cannot perform arithmetic on infinity. If the denominator is replaced with x 2 , you would get 1 , when in fact the answer is 0 .
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lim n → ∞ n ln n ! n n
= n 1 r = 0 ∑ n − 1 ln ( n − r n )
= n 1 r = 0 ∑ n − 1 ln ( 1 − r / n 1 )
= − ∫ 0 1 ln ( 1 − x ) d x
= 1