A system of Equations

Algebra Level 3

If x + y + x + y = 42 x+y+\sqrt{x+y}=42 and x y + x y = 20 x-y+\sqrt{x-y}=20 , then find the sum of all possible values of x y xy .


The answer is 260.

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5 solutions

Daniel Chiu
Dec 14, 2013

Let x + y = a x+y=a . From the first equation, a + a = 42 a+\sqrt{a}=42 The solutions for this are a = 36 , 49 a=36,49 , but 49 is extraneous due to the square root, so x + y = 36 x+y=36 .

Let x y = b x-y=b . From the second equation, b + b = 20 b+\sqrt{b}=20 The solutions for this are b = 16 , 25 b=16,25 , but 25 is extraneous due to the square root, so x y = 16 x-y=16 .

Thus, x = 26 x=26 and y = 10 y=10 , so the answer is 26 10 = 260 26\cdot 10=\boxed{260} .

Correct. A common error is to accidentally include one or more of the extraneous solutions. After all, they do seem to fit in to the quadratic equation... However, a quick glance back at our original equation and we see that it is not possible.

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 5 months ago

I think there is a typo;
"The solutions for this are b = 16 , 25 b= 16, 25 ..... "
You fixed it in the next line, but it was confusing for a second.
Either way, this is a really nice solution.


A Former Brilliant Member - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Yes, you are correct.

Daniel Chiu - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Updated.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 5 months ago

By the way, we can substitute u = x + y u=\sqrt{x+y} , which will a little bit faster, since we can quickly determine the value of x + y x+y . The same thing goes for x y \sqrt{x-y} . This is how I do it.

Let u = x + y u=\sqrt{x+y} and v = x y v=\sqrt{x-y} . We then have,

u 2 + u = 42 u^2+u=42

u = 6 , 7 \implies u=6, -7

after some easy factorization. Similarly, by using the style above, we will have

v 2 + v = 20 v^2+v=20

v = 4 , 5 \implies v=4,-5

But since negative numbers are not possible for the square roots, so u 2 = x + y = 36 u^2=x+y=36 and v 2 = x y = 16 v^2=x-y=16 . Solving the simultaneous equation, we arrive x = 26 x=26 and y = 10 y=10 , implying to our desired answer which is x y = 260 xy=\boxed{260} .

敬全 钟 - 7 years, 4 months ago

Because I see a substitution in the first equation, let a = x + y a=x+y . The equation then becomes a + a = 42 a = 42 a a = a 2 84 a + 1764 a 2 85 a + 1764 = 0 ( a 36 ) ( a 49 ) = 0 a = 36 , 49 a+\sqrt{a}=42 \Rightarrow \sqrt{a}=42-a \Rightarrow a=a^2-84a+1764 \Rightarrow a^2-85a+1764=0 \Rightarrow (a-36)(a-49)=0 \Rightarrow a=36, 49 . Since square roots were involved, we must check the solution.

If a = 36 a=36 , then 36 + 36 = 42 36+\sqrt{36}=42 , which is creary true. If a = 49 a=49 , then 49 + 49 = 42 49+\sqrt{49}=42 , which is creary not true.

Therefore, we have x + y = 36 x+y=36 .

Approaching the second equation the same way, let b = x y b=x-y . Then, b + b = 20 b = 20 b b 2 41 b + 400 = 0 ( b 16 ) ( b 25 ) = 0 b+\sqrt{b}=20 \Rightarrow \sqrt{b}=20-b \Rightarrow b^2-41b+400=0 \Rightarrow (b-16)(b-25)=0 . Checking, we see that 25 is an extraneous root, and 16 is our only root.

Therefore, x + y = 36 x+y=36 and x y = 16 x-y=16 . Adding these equations, we have 2 x = 52 x = 26 y = 10 2x=52 \Rightarrow x=26 \Rightarrow y=10 .

Now we must multiply 26 and 10. This is quite hard, but with a calculator, we get 26 10 = 260 26 \cdot 10=\boxed{260}

what if 49^0.5 is taken as -7 ?

Kishore Saldanha - 7 years, 5 months ago

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That's not possible because you cannot take the square root of a negative number.

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 5 months ago

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We can take 49= (-7)(-7) and 25 = (-5)(-5)

Arpit Sah - 7 years, 4 months ago

Minimario, you never fail to amuse me :)

Daniel Liu - 7 years, 5 months ago

You didn't have to expand a+a^0.5 =42 , you could've simply taken a^0.5= p then solved p^2 + p = 42 The same for the 2nd equation

Harshit Singhania - 6 years ago

Lets say x + y = a x + y = a and x y = b x-y = b . Then the equations turns to:

A ) A) a + a 42 = 0 a = 49 a + \sqrt {a} - 42 = 0 \rightarrow a = 49 or a = 36 a = 36 .

B ) B) Similarly, b + b 20 = 0 b = 25 b + \sqrt {b} - 20 = 0 \rightarrow b = 25 or b = 16 b = 16 .

We equal:

x + y = 49 x + y = 49 or x + y = 36 x + y = 36

x y = 25 x - y = 25 or x y = 16 x - y = 16

We have 4 4 possible system of equations. Solving them, we get the folllwing possible values for x x and y y :

( 65 2 , 33 2 ) , ( 37 , 12 ) , ( 26 , 10 ) (\frac {65} {2}, \frac {33} {2}), (37, 12), (26, 10) and ( 61 2 , 11 2 ) (\frac {61} {2}, \frac {11} {2}) . Substituting them on the original equations, the only one that satisfies the system with the principal square roots is ( 26 , 10 ) (26, 10) . Finally, x y = 26 10 = 260 xy = 26*10 = \boxed {260} .

Nodar Beridze
Feb 28, 2014

(x+y)^{1/2}=a -> a^{2}+a=42 -> a=-7 or a=6... (x+y)^{1/2}=6 and not -7... -> x+y=36

(x-y)^{1/2}=b -> b^{2}+b=20 -> b=-5 or b=4... (x-y)^{1/2}=4 and not -5... -> x-y=16

x+y=36

x-y=16

so x=26 & y=10 -> xy=260

Sai Arvind
Dec 16, 2013

m+\sqrt(m)=42 n+\sqrt(n)=20 EXPANDING WE GET m^2+m-1764=0 solving we get the answer

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