A towering limit

Calculus Level 2

lim n ( n sin π n ) ( 1 + π n ) n \Large \lim_{n\to\infty} \left( n \sin \dfrac \pi n\right)^{\left( 1 + \frac \pi n\right)^n}

The limit above has a closed form. Find the value of this closed form.

If this limit can be approximated as 3.19 × 1 0 η 3.19\times 10^\eta , where η \eta is an integer , find η \eta .

You may use a calculator for the final step of your calculation.


The answer is 11.

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4 solutions

Rohith M.Athreya
May 27, 2016

Relevant wiki: Limits by Logarithms

Let the limit be y y , then

ln y = lim n ( 1 + π n ) n ln ( n sin π n ) ln ( ln y ) = lim n n ln ( 1 + π n ) + ln [ ln ( n sin π n ) ] \begin{aligned} \ln y &= &\lim_{n\to\infty}\left( 1 + \dfrac \pi n\right)^n \ln \left( n \sin \dfrac \pi n \right) \\ \ln (\ln y) &=&\lim_{n\to\infty} n \ln \left( 1 + \dfrac \pi n \right) +\ln \left[ \ln \left( n \sin \dfrac \pi n \right) \right ] \\ \end{aligned}

Applying the standard limits, we get

ln ( ln y ) = π + ln ( ln π ) = ln ( e π ) + ln ln π = ln [ ( e π ) ln π ] = ln [ ln ( π e π ) ] \begin{aligned} \ln ( \ln y) &=& \pi + \ln ( \ln \pi ) \\ &=& \ln (e^\pi) + \ln \ln \pi \\ &=& \ln \left [ (e^\pi) \cdot \ln \pi\right ] \\ &=& \ln \left [ \ln \left( \pi^{e^\pi} \right)\right ] \\ \end{aligned}

Hence, ln ( ln y ) = ln [ ln ( π e π ) ] \ln ( \ln y) = \ln \left [ \ln \left( \pi^{e^\pi} \right)\right ] , or y = π e π y = \pi^{e^\pi} . Hence, the limit is equal to π e π \pi^{e^\pi} .

Thanks for the solution! That's an interesting calculation.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

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Did the same way, but wanted to ask what should be the condition that we split the limit of the exponent and base?

Navneel Mandal - 5 years ago

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What do you think the condition is? Figure it out and write a note for the community to learn from!

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 11 months ago

After the first equation, you can just directly replace the right hand side with exp(pi) * ln(pi). This follows from compound definition of exp function and the famous limit sin(x)/x. It's simpler that way.

Jimbo Juice - 4 years, 9 months ago

I got answer (π^e)^π but answer doesn't match with that value.

Aman Rckstar - 4 years, 11 months ago

Could you explain the standard limits used?

amar vijay - 3 years, 1 month ago

Or the easiest we can do is to find the limit of (1+Π\n)^n separately that comes to be e^Π. And then the evaluation of (n[sin{Π\n}]) which comes to be Π . and after taking out limits of both the function we can combine our result and get Π^e^Π

N. Aadhaar Murty
Feb 7, 2021

Taking the natural log on both sides -

ln ( L ) = lim n ( 1 + π n ) n ( n sin π n ) = e π lim n ln ( n sin π n ) \ln(L) =\lim_{n \to \infty}(1+\frac{\pi}{n})^n \cdot (n\sin \frac {\pi}{n}) = e^{\pi} \lim_{n \to \infty} \ln(n\sin \frac {\pi}{n})

Let lim n ln ( n sin π n ) = L 1 \lim_{n \to \infty} \ln(n\sin \frac {\pi}{n}) = L_1 . Using L'Hopital's

e L 1 = lim n sin ( π n ) 1 n = lim n π n 2 cos ( π n ) 1 n 2 = π lim n cos ( π n ) = π \Rightarrow e^{L_1} = \lim_{n \to \infty} \dfrac {\sin(\frac {\pi}{n})}{\frac {1}{n}} = \lim_{n \to \infty} \dfrac {\frac {-\pi}{n^2} \cdot \cos(\frac {\pi}{n})}{\frac {-1}{n^2}} = \pi \cdot \lim_{n \to \infty} \cos\left(\frac {\pi}{n}\right) = \pi

L 1 = ln ( π ) \Rightarrow L_1 = \ln(\pi)

Therefore

L = e e π ln ( π ) = π e π 3.19 × 1 0 11 L = \large e^{e^{\pi} \cdot \ln(\pi)} = \large \pi^{e^{\pi}} \approx \boxed {\large 3.19 \times 10^{11}}

| The limits are both finite in the division!

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