A triangle in a cubic equation?

Geometry Level 4

The area of a triangle whose side lengths are the roots of the equation x 3 + k x 2 + 47 x = 60 x^3 + kx^2 + 47x = 60 (where k k is a real number) is 6 6 square units. What type of triangle is it?

acute triangle obtuse triangle right triangle

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Jaydee Lucero
Feb 6, 2018

Let a a , b b and c c be the sides of the triangle, and also the roots of the given equation. By Vieta's relations we have s = a + b + c 2 = k 2 s=\frac{a+b+c}{2}=-\frac{k}{2} It follows from Heron's formula that A 2 = 6 2 = 36 = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) = k 2 ( k 2 a ) ( k 2 b ) ( k 2 c ) = k 2 ( k 2 + a ) ( k 2 + b ) ( k 2 + c ) A^2 = 6^2 = 36 = s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)=-\frac{k}{2} \left( -\frac{k}{2} - a \right)\left( -\frac{k}{2} - b \right)\left( -\frac{k}{2} - c \right) = \frac{k}{2} \left( \frac{k}{2} + a \right)\left( \frac{k}{2} + b \right)\left( \frac{k}{2} + c \right) The last three factors suggest "shifting" the original polynomial by the substitution x x k 2 x\rightarrow x -\frac{k}{2} , giving us the new polynomial ( x k 2 ) 3 + k ( x k 2 ) 2 + 47 ( x k 2 ) 60 = 0 \left( x -\frac{k}{2} \right)^3 + k\left( x -\frac{k}{2} \right)^2 + 47\left( x -\frac{k}{2} \right) - 60=0 with roots a = a + k 2 a' = a + \frac{k}{2} , b = b + k 2 b' = b + \frac{k}{2} , c = c + k 2 c' = c + \frac{k}{2} . Therefore Vieta's relations again gives 36 = k 2 ( k 2 + a ) ( k 2 + b ) ( k 2 + c ) = k 2 a b c = k 2 [ ( k 2 ) 3 + k ( k 2 ) 2 + 47 ( k 2 ) 60 ] 36 = \frac{k}{2} \left( \frac{k}{2} + a \right)\left( \frac{k}{2} + b \right)\left( \frac{k}{2} + c \right) = \frac{k}{2}a'b'c' = \frac{k}{2}\cdot -\left[ \left( -\frac{k}{2} \right)^3 + k \left( -\frac{k}{2} \right)^2 + 47 \left( -\frac{k}{2} \right) - 60 \right] from which we get k = 12 \underline{k = -12} (Verify this one! :) ) Therefore, the original equation becomes x 3 12 x 2 + 47 x 60 = ( x 3 ) ( x 4 ) ( x 5 ) = 0 x^3 - 12x^2 + 47x - 60 = (x - 3)(x - 4)(x - 5) = 0 from which a = 3 , b = 4 , c = 5 \underline{a=3,b=4,c=5} . Since a 2 + b 2 = c 2 a^2 + b^2 = c^2 , the triangle is a right triangle \boxed{\text{right triangle}} , as desired. :))

Oh this is a nice question and a solution. Thanks for posting this.

I really liked your "shifting" idea. I thought about using a variation of the Heron's formula, A = 1 4 ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) 2 2 ( a 4 + b 4 + c 4 ) A = \dfrac14 \sqrt{(a^2+ b^2+c^2)^2 -2 (a^4+b^4+c^4) } , but I can't seem to get the answer. Maybe I messed up somewhere.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Thank you @Pi Han Goh :))

I also like the "shifting" concept so much. I fully learned it just this year, and it's very amazing, so I'm now used to using it. :)

Jaydee Lucero - 3 years, 3 months ago

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Regarding your "Verify this one": There are 3 other roots (of k k ) satisfying this equation. For completeness, it's better to explain why k = 12 k=-12 is the only root satisfying the given constraints.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 3 months ago
Pi Han Goh
Feb 13, 2018

Synopsis: I'll use a variation of the Heron's formula , A = 1 4 ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) 2 2 ( a 4 + b 4 + c 4 ) A = \dfrac14 \sqrt{(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 - 2(a^4 + b^4 + c^4)} , where the expressions inside the bracket can be found via Vieta's Formula .


Let a , b , c a,b,c denote the sides of the triangle in question, then they must be the zeros of the function f ( x ) : = x 3 + k x 2 + 47 x 60 f(x) := x^3 + kx^2 + 47x - 60 . Naturally, Vieta's formula tells us that its perimeter a + b + c = k > 0 a + b +c = -k > 0 , so k < 0 k < 0 .

We then have a 2 , b 2 , c 2 a^2, b^2, c^2 are the zeros of the function f ( x ) = x x + k x + 47 x 60 f \left( \sqrt x \right) =x\sqrt x + k x + 47\sqrt x - 60 .

By converting f ( x ) = 0 f \left(\sqrt x \right) = 0 into another cubic equation, we get

x x + k x + 47 x 60 = 0 x x + 47 x = k x + 60 ( x x + 47 x ) 2 = ( k x + 60 ) 2 x 2 + 4 7 2 x + 94 x 2 = k 2 x 2 120 k x + 3600 x 3 ( 1 ) + x 2 ( 94 k 2 ) + x ( 4 7 2 + 120 k ) 3600 = 0 \begin{aligned} x\sqrt x + k x + 47\sqrt x - 60 &=& 0 \\ x\sqrt x + 47\sqrt x &=& -kx + 60 \\ \left(x\sqrt x + 47\sqrt x \right)^2 &=& (-kx + 60)^2 \\ x^2 + 47^2 x + 94x^2 &=& k^2 x^2 - 120kx + 3600 \\ x^3 (1) + x^2 (94-k^2) + x(47^2 + 120k) - 3600 &=& 0 \end{aligned}

Thus a 2 , b 2 , c 2 a^2, b^2, c^2 are the zeros of the function g ( x ) : = x 3 ( 1 ) + x 2 ( 94 k 2 ) + x ( 4 7 2 + 120 k ) 3600 g(x):= x^3 (1) + x^2 (94-k^2) + x(47^2 + 120k) - 3600 .

By Vieta's formula, { a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = k 2 94 a 2 b 2 + a 2 c 2 + b 2 c 2 = 4 7 2 + 120 k a 4 + b 4 + c 4 = ( k 2 94 ) 2 2 ( 4 7 2 + 120 k ) = k 4 188 k 2 240 k + 4418. \begin{cases} a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = k^2 -94 \\ a^2 b^2 + a^2 c^2 + b^2 c^2 = 47^2 + 120k \end{cases} \quad \Rightarrow \quad a^4 + b^4 + c^4 = (k^2 -94)^2 - 2(47^2 + 120k ) =k^4 - 188 k^2 - 240 k + 4418.

Heron's formula tells us that A = 1 4 ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) 2 2 ( a 4 + b 4 + c 4 ) A = \dfrac14 \sqrt{(a^2+b^2+c^2)^2 - 2(a^4 + b^4 + c^4)} .

Given that A = 6 A = 6 , then the equation above simplifies to 576 = k 4 + 188 k 2 + 480 k 576 = -k^4 + 188 k^2 + 480 k . Rational root theorem shows that k = 12 k = -12 is the only rational root. Factorizing ( k + 12 ) (k+12) out gives

( k + 12 ) ( k 3 12 k 2 44 k + 48 ) = 0. (k+12) (k^3 - 12 k^2 - 44 k + 48) = 0 .

For completeness, let's prove that k = 12 k = -12 is the only solution.

Notice from above that the sum of positive numbers a 2 + b 2 + c 2 = k 2 94 > 0 k 2 > 94. a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = k^2 - 94 > 0 \quad \Rightarrow \quad k^2 > 94 .

Using intermediate value theorem and Descartes' rule of signs , we can verify that h ( k ) : = k 3 12 k 2 44 k + 48 h(k) := k^3 - 12 k^2 - 44 k + 48 only has 1 negative root, which is in the interval ( 4 , 3 ) (-4,-3) . But since k 2 > 94 k^2 > 94 as well, 4 < k < 3 -4<k<-3 is not possible. Hence, k = 12 k =-12 is the only solution.

Substituting k = 12 k=-12 back gives f ( x ) = x 3 12 x 2 + 47 x 60 = ( x 3 ) ( x 4 ) ( x 5 ) f(x) = x^3 -12x^2 + 47x - 60 = (x-3)(x-4)(x-5) . Hence, the sides of the triangle in question are 3 , 4 , 5 3,4,5 . Since 3 2 + 4 2 = 5 2 3^2 + 4^2 = 5^2 . The triangle is right-angled \boxed{\text{right-angled}} .

Toby M
Feb 20, 2018

Let the roots be a a , b b and c c . Since these are the side lengths of a triangle, a a , b b , c c are all positive.

Expanding on Niranjan Khanderia's answer, by Vieta's formulas a b c abc is equal to the last coefficient divided by the first coefficient, provided that the polynomial is in the form a n x 2 + a n 1 x n 1 + + a 1 x + a 0 a_nx^2 + a_{n-1}x^{n-1} + \cdots + a_1x + a_0 . In this case, a b c = 60 1 = 60 abc = \frac{60}{1} = 60 .

Let's assume that there are integer a a , b b and c c . Factoring 60 60 gives 2 2 3 5 2^2 \cdot 3 \cdot 5 , and we have three choices for ( a , b , c ) (a,b,c) : ( 4 , 3 , 5 ) (4, 3, 5) , ( 4 , 6 , 5 ) (4, 6, 5) or ( 2 , 3 , 10 ) (2, 3, 10) . Of these three, only the triplet 3 , 4 , 5 3, 4, 5 gives an x x -coefficient of 47 47 .

By the answer options all of the triangles are either obtuse, acute or right. Since we have found a right-angled triangle, then all of the triangles with sides that are the roots of the equation x 3 + k x + 47 x 60 x^3+kx+47x-60 are right .

I knew that 3-4-5 triangle has an area of 6. 3 4 5=60. And 3 4+4 5+5*3=47. These are also values we get from Vieta's formula.
3-4-5 is a rt. triangle.

Dhruv Joshi
Feb 6, 2018

3,4,5. Sided

How is your answer different from Niranjan's answer?

Toby M - 3 years, 3 months ago

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sorry i did not understood what you said

Dhruv Joshi - 3 years, 3 months ago

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