Algebra_2

Algebra Level 1

If a + b c = 6 5 \frac {a + b}c = \frac 65 and b + c a = 9 2 , \frac {b + c}a = \frac 92, then what is the value of a + c b ? \frac {a + c}b?

7 11 \frac 7{11} 11 7 \frac {11}7 7 4 \frac 74 9 5 \frac 95

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29 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Apr 15, 2018

{ a + b c = 6 5 5 a + 5 b = 6 c 5 a + 6 c = 5 b . . . ( 1 ) b + c a = 9 2 2 b + 2 c = 9 a 9 a 2 c = 2 b . . . ( 2 ) \begin{cases} \dfrac {a+b}c = \dfrac 65 & \implies 5a+5b = 6c & \implies -5a+6c = 5b & ...(1) \\ \dfrac {b+c}a = \dfrac 92 & \implies 2b+2c = 9a & \implies 9a-2c = 2b & ...(2) \end{cases}

( 1 ) + ( 2 ) : 4 a + 4 c = 7 b a + c b = 7 4 (1)+(2): \quad 4a+4c = 7b \implies \dfrac {a+c}b = \boxed{\dfrac 74}

the important thing is to keep a and c multiply with the denominator ?

Jimmy Dragneel - 3 years, 1 month ago

Isolating the denominator is the key. Very nice

norbert turek - 3 years, 1 month ago

i don't understand how you get from 4a+4c=7b to 7/4.. surely its 4/7 if you factorise it to 4(a+c)=7(b) and then divide by seven

Im the Juan - 3 years, 1 month ago

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4 a + 4 c = 7 b 4 ( a + c ) = 7 b 4 ( a + c ) b = 7 a + c b = 7 4 4a+4c = 7b \implies 4(a+c) = 7b \implies \dfrac {4(a+c)}b = 7 \implies \dfrac {a+c}b = \dfrac 74 .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 3 years, 1 month ago

You can multiply the equation with 1/4

moshe evgi - 3 years, 1 month ago

Respected Sir and everyone , Please excuse me for posting this comment . Rather than saying that this is a comment this a burning issue in my heart . Please take it seriously .

Note : This post is regarding the Easy section of this problems of week .

I have a dream getting 100 or more up votes for an individual solution . I wrote a solution for the question water shadows (which is adjacent to this question) 6 days ago (on 21 April) . When I wrote the solution I thought it is a good one and will definitely accomplish my dream .

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Ram Mohith - 3 years, 1 month ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Apr 22, 2018

a + b + c c = a + b c + c c = 6 5 + 1 = 11 5 . \frac{a+b+c}{c} = \frac{a+b}c + \frac c c = \frac 6 5 + 1 = \frac{11}5. a + b + c a = b + c a + a a = 9 2 + 1 = 11 2 . \frac{a+b+c}{a} = \frac{b+c}a + \frac a a = \frac 9 2 + 1 = \frac{11}2. b a + b + c = a + b + c a + b + c a a + b + c c a + b + c = 1 2 11 5 11 = 4 11 . \frac{b}{a+b+c} = \frac{a+b+c}{a+b+c} - \frac{a}{a+b+c} - \frac{c}{a+b+c} = 1 - \frac 2{11} - \frac 5{11} = \frac 4{11}. a + c b = a + b + c b b b = 11 4 1 = 7 4 . \frac{a+c}{b} = \frac{a+b+c}{b} - \frac b b = \frac{11}4 - 1 = \frac 7 4.

Technically, a + b + c does not necessarily equal 11; for example, a = 4, b = 8, and c = 10 also satisfies the given equations and a + b + c = 22. It would be better to say that a + b + c = 11k, a = 2k, b = 4k, and c = 5k for some constant k.

David Vreken - 3 years, 1 month ago

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I will modify my solution to make it more general.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 1 month ago

Did the same way :)

Saran Balachandar - 3 years, 1 month ago

That´s brilliant

Sam Henrich - 3 years, 1 month ago

Well done!

mauro sobreira - 3 years, 1 month ago
Jeffrey H.
Apr 22, 2018

The denominator of the first fraction is 5 5 , so we plug in c = 5 c=5 . Doing this gives b = 4 b=4 and a = 2 a=2 , which satisfies both equations. a + c b = 2 + 5 4 = 7 4 \frac{a+c}{b}=\frac{2+5}{4}=\boxed{\frac{7}{4}}

but c is not necessarily 5. We only know the ratio, not the value of c.

Tom Hammer - 3 years, 1 month ago

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I agree Tom Hammer James Malin

James Malin - 3 years, 1 month ago

Hammers right better question would have been "which of these is a possible answer

Bill Luhrs - 3 years, 1 month ago

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I agree, otherwise, it gets kind of confusing.

Rune Knappskog - 3 years, 1 month ago

Yes that's true. But the thing here to notice is that the ratio of a,b and c would be the same. Thus, in one way it is justifiable to take c=5.( However, it isn't an elegant solution, according to me.)

Archana Bhisikar - 3 years, 1 month ago

no guys, the answer is a constant so for every c(c#0) the answer is the same.(It's a bit tricky)

Bilal Y. Thn - 3 years, 1 month ago

if c=5t, a=2t and a+b=6t, b+c=9t then c+a+2b=15t or5t+2t+2b=15t or b=4t.Finaly, (c+a)/b=7t/4t=7/4

Harry Alexiev - 3 years, 1 month ago

No assumptions, dude.

Mr. Troll - 3 years, 1 month ago

The best soloution, bravo !!!

moshe evgi - 3 years, 1 month ago

Guys, this is the best solution if it would be in a time-constrained contest as long as no solutions are required.

Hans Gabriel Daduya - 3 years, 1 month ago
Miguel B
Apr 23, 2018

First we note that a a , b b and c c appear in the denominator and therefore cannot be zero. Let a + c b = x \frac{a+c}{b}=x .

The three equations can be written in matrix form as [ 1 1 6 / 5 9 / 2 1 1 1 x 1 ] A ( x ) [ a b c ] = [ 0 0 0 ] \underbrace{\begin{bmatrix} 1 & 1 & -6/5 \\ -9/2 & 1 & 1 \\ 1 & -x & 1 \end{bmatrix}}_{A(x)} \begin{bmatrix} a \\ b \\ c\end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}

For the matrix equation to have a solution with nonzero a a , b b and c c , the matrix A ( x ) A(x) must be singular. Then, solving the equation det A ( x ) = 0 \det A(x) = 0 with respect to x x gives the result x = 7 4 x=\tfrac{7}{4} .

Miguel: Your solution is ‘high-powered’ and MOST elegant! James Malin

James Malin - 3 years, 1 month ago

Nice solution !

Christian Jay - 3 years, 1 month ago
David Vreken
Apr 22, 2018

Since a + b c = 6 5 \frac{a + b}{c} = \frac{6}{5} , c = 5 a + 5 b 6 c = \frac{5a + 5b}{6} .

Since b + c a = 9 2 \frac{b + c}{a} = \frac{9}{2} , c = 9 a 2 b 2 c = \frac{9a - 2b}{2} .

Since c = 5 a + 5 b 6 = 9 a 2 b 2 c = \frac{5a + 5b}{6} = \frac{9a - 2b}{2} , b = 2 a b = 2a .

Since b = 2 a b = 2a and c = 5 a + 5 b 6 c = \frac{5a + 5b}{6} , c = 5 a + 5 2 a 6 = 5 2 a c = \frac{5a + 5 \cdot 2a}{6} = \frac{5}{2}a .

Since b = 2 a b = 2a and c = 5 2 a c = \frac{5}{2}a , a + c b = a + 5 2 a 2 a = 7 4 \frac{a + c}{b} = \frac{a + \frac{5}{2}a}{2a} = \boxed{\frac{7}{4}} .

David Vreken: Your’s IS my solution! We are both correct. James

James Malin - 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one to use brute force and algebra. Not as elegant as some of the solutions, but as long as you don't make a mistake (which I only did the first 5 or 6 times), it's bound to work out.

Bobby Mauger - 3 years, 1 month ago
Kaite Moten
Apr 23, 2018

(5 being the denominator)Given that we have the number 5, we can suggest that b=4 and a=2.

  1. c=5 + a(2)= 7
  2. b(4)

7/4

Yeah, I don't get why they have to complicate things. A fraction is equal to a fraction. Numerator equals numerator and so on.

Mark Angelo Valdejueza - 2 years, 11 months ago
Spicy Brigadoon
Apr 25, 2018

Treat the equations as logical predicates: “If a+b=6 then c=5”, and “if a=2 then b+c=9”. Suppose c is 5 and a is 2, does this determine b consistently? Yes. Both equations require it to be 4.

Gary Breakfield
Apr 24, 2018

My thoughts: a is even, since whatever a equals it can be reduced to 2. Therefore, since a+b=6 and a is even, so must b. There is only one answer with a even denominator so it must be correct.

Arre Raj
Apr 23, 2018

First we eliminate a variable and rephrase the required fraction in terms of a and c alone.

(1) b = 6 5 c a = 9 2 c \displaystyle b = \frac{6}{5}c - a = \frac{9}{2} - c

(2) a + c b = a + c 6 5 c a \displaystyle \frac{a+c}{b} = \frac{a+c}{\frac{6}{5}c - a }

Separating the variables for expression (1) gives the following: 11 2 a = 11 5 c \displaystyle \frac{11}{2}a = \frac{11}{5}c

Substituting into (2) then gives: 7 5 c 4 5 c \displaystyle \frac{\frac{7}{5}c}{\frac{4}{5}c}

This gives the answer, 7 4 \displaystyle \boxed{\frac{7}{4}}

a + b c \frac{a+b}{c} = 6 5 \frac{6}{5} so a+b = 6 and c = 5. b + c a \frac{b+c}{a} = 9 2 \frac{9}{2} so b+c = 9 and a = 2.

a = 2

a+b = 6

b = 4

c = 5

a + b c \frac{a+b}{c} = 7 4 \frac{7}{4}

Arinjoy Ghosh
Apr 22, 2018

a + b c \frac{a+b}{c} = 6 5 \frac{6}{5} ...................(i) b + c a \frac{b+c}{a} = 9 2 \frac{9}{2} ...................(ii) From (i) &(ii) We get, a + b + b + c c + a \frac{a+b+b+c}{c+a} = 6 + 9 5 + 2 \frac{6+9}{5+2} OR, c + a + 2 b c + a \frac{c+a+2b}{c+a} = 15 7 \frac{15}{7} OR, 1+ 2 b c + a \frac{2b}{c+a} = 15 7 \frac{15}{7} OR, 2X b c + a \frac{b}{c+a} = 8 7 \frac{8}{7} OR, b c + a \frac{b}{c+a} = 4 7 \frac{4}{7} SO, a + c b \frac{a+c}{b} = 7 4 \frac{7}{4}

X X
Apr 15, 2018

( a + b ) : c : ( a + b + c ) = 6 : 5 : 11 , ( b + c ) : a : ( a + b + c ) = 9 : 2 : 11 (a+b):c:(a+b+c)=6:5:11,(b+c):a:(a+b+c)=9:2:11 ,so a : b : c = 2 : 4 : 5 , a + c b = 7 4 a:b:c=2:4:5,\frac{a+c}{b}=\frac{7}{4}

Nik Mehdi
Apr 30, 2018

(a+b = 6k) (c = 5k)

(b+c = 9T) (a = 2T)

(b = 9T - c) (b = 6k - a) From above equations we conclude: (T = K)

Then : (a+c = 5k + 2k = 7k) (b = 9k - 5k = 4k)

And by dividing them we get the answer 😃

( 7k/4k = 7/4 )

Yu Hang Ng
Apr 28, 2018

there is a limited number of guess and check for numbers adding up to 6, like 1 and 5, 2 and 4 etc, so its easy to guess and check

Hugo Posthuma
Apr 27, 2018

We can find the values for C and A because they are the denominators, and that's what we are dividing by. Therefore,

a+b/c = 6/5 → c=5

b+c/a = 9/2 → a=2

Now we do some algebra because we know a+b = c we can substitute the variables we know.

2 + b/5 = 6/5

2+ b = 6 b = 4

So that answer is 7/4 when we add at the last step.

Kurtuluş Orkun
Apr 27, 2018

There is a very quick solution without doing any algebra: the 4 in 7 4 \frac{7}{4} caught my attention and from the denominators of the fractions you can see immediately that a is even and c is odd. Furthermore you see that (a+b) is even and (b+c) is odd. (a+b) can only be even if b is even and also (b+c) is odd if and only if b is even. And in the solution options the only fraction with a even denominator is 7 4 \frac{7}{4} .

Timmy Vattapally
Apr 27, 2018

I took a slightly different approach:

a + b c \frac{a+b}{c} = 6 5 \frac{6}{5}

--> a + b = 6 c 5 a+b=\frac{6c}{5}

--> a + b + c = 11 c 5 a+b+c=\frac{11c}{5}

--> 5 ( a + b + c ) 11 = c \frac{5(a+b+c)}{11}=c


b + c a \frac{b+c}{a} = 9 2 \frac{9}{2}

--> b + c = 9 a 2 b+c=\frac{9a}{2}

--> a + b + c = 11 a 2 a+b+c=\frac{11a}{2}

--> 2 ( a + b + c ) 11 = c \frac{2(a+b+c)}{11}=c


Therefore, a a and c c together make up 7 11 \frac{7}{11} of the total sum of a + b + c a+b+c

Then b b must make up the other 4 11 \frac{4}{11} of the sum of a + b + c a+b+c


So: 4 ( s u m ) 11 = b \frac{4(sum)}{11} = b

--> a + b + c = 11 b 4 a+b+c=\frac{11b}{4}

--> a + c = 7 b 4 a+c=\frac{7b}{4}

--> a + c b = 7 4 \frac{a+c}{b} = \frac{7}{4}

Kev Morgan
Apr 26, 2018

Taking both initial statements as ratios, both add to 11 parts. a + b : c is 6 : 5 and b + c : a is 9 : 2. Taking c as 5 parts and a as 2 parts leaves b as 4 parts. This satisfies both conditions so (a + c)/b = (5 + 2)/4 = 7/4

Ihsan Mahmood
Apr 26, 2018

The way I solved it includes almost no algebra here is how it works: a + b c \frac{a+b}{c} = 6 5 \frac{6}{5} and b + c a \frac{b+c}{a} = 9 2 \frac{9}{2} a + b makes an even number c is an odd number b + c makes an odd number their for the answers denominator must be even and the only answer with an even denominator is 7 4 \frac{7}{4}

Sachin Mishra
Apr 26, 2018

Divide both numerator and denominator by c in all the equations let a c \frac{a}{c} =x and b c \frac{b}{c} =y
we get x+y= 6 5 \frac{6}{5} and y + 1 x \frac{y+1}{x} = 9 2 \frac{9}{2}
Solve for x and y
x= 2 5 \frac{2}{5} and y = 4 5 \frac{4}{5}
put x and y in 3rd equation and we get a + c b \frac{a+c}{b} = x + 1 y \frac{x+1}{y} = 7 4 \frac{7}{4}



Vivek Agrawal
Apr 26, 2018

If u just assume denominator as correct values, value of b perfectly fits. Hence this is one of the solutions. Now finding any thing is simple

b+c=9 , c=5 , a=2 Therefore b=9-c=9-5=4 Substitute a=2 , b=4 , c=5 into (a+c)/b to give 7/4. You have to look at the problem as fractions

Vipin Zamvar
Apr 25, 2018

You guys might laugh at me, but it took me less than 30 seconds to solve the squestion. Here is how I did it. I looked at the information given, and thought to myself what if c = 5, then a+b will be 6. (Just look at the first piece of information given to us); Then I looked at the second bit of information, and thought to myself, if a = 2; then b+c will be = 9. And because, I have already assumed c = 5 ; then b will be 4.

So a = 2; b = 4; c = 5; And these values satisfy the information given to us.

The question is to find the value of a+c/b. So put in the values of a, b, and c. You will get 2+5/4 = 7/4

Bingo, I have a correct answer.

Mathy Mind
Apr 25, 2018

My 12 yo child chose the answer directly because 6+5=11 9+2=11 and 7+4=11 But I don't have any explanation!!! Who have? !

From the given 2 eq., eliminate b and generate a relation between a and c i.e. 5a=2c. Now put it in eq. 2(or in 1) to get relation between a and b( or b and c) i.e. 2a=b( or any else relations) Anyway, use these 2 relations in 3rd eq. to get the solution. Easy peasy!!

Ahsim Nreiziev
Apr 25, 2018

The simplest solution happens to work in this case, namely simply plugging in the values of the various numerators and denominators given, and solving for the 3 variables. Doing so gives a consistent answer in this case, which must then indeed be the ratio we're looking for. Now, sure, this isn't guaranteed to work (I think), as in that it probably won't always give a consistent system of values; but if it does provide a consistent answer, this simple method is entirely valid and thus there isn't any reason not to use it in that case.

So: assuming that a + b = 6 a + b = 6 , c = 5 c = 5 , b + c = 9 b + c = 9 and a = 2 a = 2 , then it follows from the 2nd and 3rd entry on that list that b = 4 b = 4 . This is indeed consistent, as indeed a + b = 2 + 4 = 6 a + b = 2 + 4 = 6 . So, these values are a valid solution. That means that the ratio being asked for, a + c b = 2 + 5 4 = 7 4 \frac{a + c}{b} = \frac{2 + 5}{4} = \color{#20A900}\large{\boxed{\frac{7}{4}}}

Gabriel Chacón
Apr 24, 2018

From the conditions, we derive a linear homogeneous system of equations where R = a + c b R=\frac{a+c}{b} is the ratio we are looking for: { 5 a + 5 b 6 c = 0 9 a + 2 b + 2 c = 0 5 a R b + c = 0 \begin{cases}\phantom{-}5a+5b-6c=0 \\ -9a+2b+2c=0 \\ \phantom{-5} a - Rb + c = 0\end{cases} We want a non trivial solution for the system so the determinant of the coefficient matrix must be zero: 5 5 6 9 2 2 1 R 1 = 77 44 R = 0 R = 7 4 \begin{vmatrix} 5 & 5 & -6 \\ -9 & 2 & 2 \\ 1 & -R & 1 \end{vmatrix}=77-44R=0\ \implies R=\boxed{\dfrac{7}{4}}

Piero Sarti
Apr 24, 2018

a + b = 6 5 × c c = 5 6 ( a + b ) a + b = \dfrac{6}{5}\times c \implies c = \dfrac{5}{6}(a + b)

Plugging into our second equation we get:

b + 5 6 ( a + b ) a = 9 2 27 a = 6 b + 5 a + 5 b 11 b = 22 a b = 2 a \dfrac{b + \frac{5}{6}(a + b)}{a} = \dfrac{9}{2} \implies 27a = 6b + 5a + 5b \implies 11b = 22a \implies b = 2a .

Now plugging this into what we want to find:

a + c b = a + c 2 a = 1 2 + 1 2 × c a = 1 2 + 1 2 × ( 9 2 b a ) = 1 2 + 1 2 × ( 9 2 2 ) = 7 4 \dfrac{a + c}{b} = \dfrac{a + c}{2a} = \dfrac{1}{2} + \dfrac{1}{2}\times\dfrac{c}{a} = \dfrac{1}{2} + \dfrac{1}{2}\times\left(\dfrac{9}{2} - \dfrac{b}{a}\right) = \dfrac{1}{2} + \dfrac{1}{2}\times\left(\dfrac{9}{2} - 2\right) = \boxed{\dfrac{7}{4}} .

Peng YuBin
Apr 24, 2018

let c = 5 k a = 2 k a + b = 6 k c=5k\\a=2k\\a+b=6k .

then b = 4 k a + c = 7 k b=4k\\a+c=7k .

so the result was 7 4 \frac 7 4

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