Algebraic Booster #2 - Terrible Radicals

Algebra Level 4

It is given that x = 1 1 x + x 1 x x= \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}} + \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} .

Evaluate the value of x 15 610 x x^{15} -\frac{610}{x} .


The answer is 987.

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If x = 1 1 x + x 1 x x= \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}} + \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} ,

then x = x 1 x + 1 1 x x= \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} + \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}} .

If we multiply x 1 x + 1 1 x \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} + \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}} by x 1 x 1 1 x \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} - \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}} , we will get x 1 x-1 .

So, if x 1 x + 1 1 x = x \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} + \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}} = x , then x 1 x 1 1 x = x 1 x \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} - \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}}= \frac{x-1}{x}

x 1 x + 1 1 x = x \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} + \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}} = x ------------------> Equation 1

x 1 x 1 1 x = x 1 x \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} - \sqrt{1-\frac{1}{x}}= \frac{x-1}{x} -----> Equation 2

Equation 1 + 2 : 2 x 1 x = x + x 1 x 2\sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} = x + \frac{x-1}{x}

2 x 1 x = ( x 1 x ) + 1 2\sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} = (x - \frac{1}{x}) + 1

Let A be x 1 x \sqrt{x - \frac{1}{x}}

2 A = A 2 + 1 2A = A^{2} + 1

A = 1 A = 1

x 1 x = 1 \sqrt{x-\frac{1}{x}} = 1

x 1 x = 1 x-\frac{1}{x} = 1

Since x 0 x \neq 0 (which will make 1 0 \frac{1}{0} in the question), we can multiply both sides by x.

x 2 1 = x x^{2} - 1 = x

x 2 = x + 1 x^{2} = x + 1 ------> Important Identity

So, x 15 610 x x^{15} - \frac{610}{x}

= x 16 610 x \frac{x^{16} - 610}{x}

= ( x 2 ) 8 610 x \frac{(x^{2})^{8} - 610}{x}

= ( x + 1 ) 8 610 x \frac{(x+1)^{8} - 610}{x} (Identity)

= ( x 2 + 2 x + 1 ) 4 610 x \frac{(x^{2} + 2x + 1)^{4} - 610}{x}

= ( 3 x + 2 ) 4 610 x \frac{(3x + 2)^{4} - 610}{x} (Identity)

= ( 9 x 2 + 12 x + 4 ) 2 610 x \frac{(9x^{2} + 12x + 4)^{2} - 610}{x}

= ( 21 x + 13 ) 2 610 x \frac{(21x + 13)^{2}-610}{x} (Identity)

= ( 441 x 2 + 546 x + 169 ) 610 x \frac{(441x^{2} + 546x + 169) - 610}{x}

= 441 x + 441 + 546 x + 169 610 x \frac{441x + 441 + 546x + 169 - 610}{x} (Identity)

= 987 x x \frac{987x}{x}

= 987 \boxed{987}

What a hardcore solution! :3

DO not give such a lenthy qn.

Anshu Jha - 7 years, 2 months ago

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:P Hahaha

Sanchayapol Lewgasamsarn - 7 years, 2 months ago

Yup!! I agree...this question is more of the conventional type than creative ....

Sourangsu Banerji - 7 years, 2 months ago

So x=phi.....nice approach!

Satvik Golechha - 7 years, 2 months ago

Attention! A = 1, not -1.

Sanchayapol Lewgasamsarn - 7 years, 2 months ago

Your method is nice and clean. The method below is not better than your method. But just to give an alternative method. We will also use the _EQUATION _ x^2 = x + 1. You have used identity (a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2, below we use identity (a+b)*(a-b) = a^2 - b^2

    x^2 - 1 = x     ............................................ x^2 =  x + 1
    x^2 + 1 = x + 2

     x^4 - 1 = x^2  + 2x = 3x + 1
     x^4 + 1 = 3x + 1 + 2 = 3(x + 1)

     x^8 - 1 = 3(3x^2 + 4x +1)= 3(3x + 3 + 4x + 1) = 3(7x + 4)
     x^8 + 1 =  3(7x + 4) + 2

      x^16 - 1 = 3(7x + 4) }^2 + 6(7x + 4) =  9*49x^2 + 144 + 9*56x + 144   +  42x +24 
                       =  441x^2 +504x + 144  + 42x +24 =( 441x +441) + 546x +168
      x^16 = + 1 + 987x + 609
      x^16 = + 1 + 987x + 609

              x^15 =  987x/x + 610/x     .................          x^15 - 610/x  =   987

Niranjan Khanderia - 7 years, 2 months ago

I just asked Wolfram to solve. Good Job!

Bradley Preece - 7 years, 2 months ago

How great....

Ikhsan Ibnu Muhammad - 7 years, 2 months ago

Wow. Just wow. Didn't think of that.

Karen Kaito - 7 years, 2 months ago

WTF

Muhammad Amir - 7 years, 2 months ago

Can you like explain how did you got the 1 at the 7th step of the long solution you have posted! I am trying to do it using your equation but I don't know how you got the 1. I did this earlier but was stuck at the 7th step when figuring it all out on my own then I saw urs and u somehow got the 1. Please explain

Muhammad Amir - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Let's say that sqrt(x) + sqrt(1+x) = 50 Imagine multiplying the left side of the equation by its conjugate. (sqrt(x) - sqrt(1-x)) If you do that, you will get x - (1+ x) = -1 It now means that (sqrt(x) + sqrt(1+x))(sqrt(x) - sqrt(1+x)) = -1 (Try writing this on paper.) We know that sqrt(x) + sqrt(1+x) = 50, then sqrt(x) - sqrt(1+x) = -1/50 We can now subtract our equations

Sanchayapol Lewgasamsarn - 7 years, 2 months ago

Can somebody help me find solutions to this question?

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Saurabh Mallik - 7 years, 2 months ago

Wait, wait. Why A = -1? If you plug the A into 2A = A^2 + 1, it will be -2 = 2...

Ryo Armanda - 7 years, 2 months ago

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Oops. I am mistaken. A = 1. Thank you for noticing this ^-^

Sanchayapol Lewgasamsarn - 7 years, 2 months ago

on solving the identity x^2 = x+1 we get to values and putting these two values in expression (x^16 - 610)/x we two answers 987 and 754. am i correct.

BHANU VISHWAKARMA - 7 years, 2 months ago

It was a real good question but too big!!!!!:P

Adarsh Kumar - 7 years, 2 months ago

NICE question but solved it diffrently. :-)

Pushpak Roy - 7 years, 2 months ago

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How ??

Niranjan Khanderia - 7 years, 2 months ago

Nice solution. The way you used the Identity is really good. To arrive at the Identity, instead of using A, we could also do it as follows. Not that it is better than yours. Only an alternating method. (x - 1/x) - 2sqrt(x - 1/x) + 1 = 0 ={sqrt(x - 1/x) - 1}^2 :- x - 1/x = 1,...x^2 = x + 1.

Niranjan Khanderia - 7 years, 2 months ago

but if i solve the eqn....x^2=x+1......then ans comes out to be 1.618......if i take this....ans is 987 but if i take 1.62 then comes out 1013......so confused..actually power 15 gives the trouble...

Manit Mukhopadhyay - 7 years, 1 month ago
Carlos Baião
May 10, 2018

x = sqrt (1- (1 / x)) + sqrt (x- (1 / x))→ Call, sqrt (1- (1 / x)) = a; sqrt (x- (1 / x)) = b Notice that: a ^ 2 + (1 / sqrt (x)) ^ 2 = 1 ^ 2; b ^ 2 + (1 / sqrt (x)) ^ 2 = (sqrt (x)) ^ 2 Now draw a triangle of height (1 / sqrt (x)), and sides (a + b); 1 and sqrt (x). Note that: (a + b) * (1 / sqrt (x)) = 1 * (sqrt (x)) Thus, we have a triangle rectangle of sides 1; sqrt (x) and x. For Pythagoras, we have to: x ^ 2 = 1 ^ 2 + (sqrt (x)) ^ 2→ x = (1 + sqrt (5)) / 2. Consequently: (-1 / x) = (1-sqrt (5)) / 2 So we have to: x ^ 15-610 * (1 / x)→ 682 + 305 * sqrt (5) + 305-305 * sqrt (5)→ 987

Saurabh Mallik
Mar 28, 2014

Can somebody help me find solutions to this question?

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