Almost A Sphere, But Not Quite

Algebra Level 5

Let x , y , z x,y,z be real numbers such that x 2 + y 2 + z 2 + ( x + y + z ) 2 = 9 x^2+y^2+z^2+(x+y+z)^2=9 and x y z 15 32 xyz\leq \frac{15}{32} . To 2 decimal places, what is the greatest possible value of x x ?


The answer is 2.5.

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Timur Vural
May 13, 2014

Set t = y z t=yz and u = y + z u=y+z After plugging in and some computation, we get 2 x 2 + 2 x u + 2 u 2 = 9 + 2 t 2x^2+2xu+2u^2=9+2t . Now using the second condition, 15 16 x + 9 2 x 2 + 2 x u + 2 u 2 \frac{15}{16x}+9\ge2x^2+2xu+2u^2 . Simplifying, 2 x 3 + 2 x 2 u 9 x 15 16 + 2 u 2 x 0 2x^3+2x^2u-9x-\frac{15}{16}+2u^2x\le0 . For the maximum possible x to still satisfy the equation, u must be such that the left side is as small as possible. Thus we can find by taking the derivative with respect to u that x is maximized when x = 2 u x=-2u , and plug back in to get a cubic which has the solution x = 5 2 \boxed{x=\frac{5}{2}}

Note: the fact that we must have u 2 4 t u^2\ge 4t could have created some problems, but in this case it didn't.

Very nice, similar to what I did.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Calvin Lin Staff
May 15, 2014

The first condition is equivalent to x 2 + ( y + z ) 2 + ( x + y + z ) 2 = 9 + 2 y z x^2 + (y+z)^2 + (x+y+z)^2 = 9 + 2 yz . Let y + z = u y+z = u , then we get that

x 2 + u 2 + ( x + u ) 2 = 9 + 2 y z 2 ( x 2 + x u + u 2 ) = 9 + 2 y z 9 + 15 16 x x^2 + u^2 + (x+u)^2 = 9 + 2yz \Rightarrow 2 ( x^2 + xu + u^2) = 9 + 2yz \leq 9 + \frac{15}{16x }

Since 2 ( x 2 + x u + u 2 ) = 2 ( 3 4 x 2 + ( u + 1 2 x ) 2 ) 3 2 x 2 2 ( x^2 + xu + u^2) = 2 \left( \frac{3}{4} x^2 + (u + \frac{1}{2} x) ^2 \right) \geq \frac{ 3}{2} x^2 , hence we have the inequality

3 2 x 2 9 + 15 16 x 8 x 3 48 x 5 0 \frac{ 3}{2} x^2 \leq 9 + \frac {15}{16x} \Rightarrow 8x^3 - 48x - 5 \leq 0

The cubic has roots 5 2 > 1 4 ( 21 5 ) > 1 4 ( 21 + 5 ) \frac{5}{2} > \frac{1}{4} ( \sqrt{21} - 5) > - \frac{1}{4} ( \sqrt{21} + 5) , and so the largest value of x x is 2.5 2.5 .

It remains to show that this can be achieved. From above, we need equality and so ( x + 2 u ) 2 = 0 (x+2u)^2 = 0 and x y z = 15 16 xyz = \frac{ 15}{16} , which gives us y + z = u = x 2 = 5 4 y+z = u = - \frac{x}{2} = - \frac{5}{4} and y z = 15 16 x = 3 16 yz = \frac{15}{16x} = \frac{ 3}{16} . We can solve this (vieta + quadratic equation) to get that { y , z } = { 13 5 8 , 13 5 8 } \{ y, z \} = \{ \frac{ \sqrt{13} - 5 } {8}, \frac{ - \sqrt{13} - 5 } { 8} \} . Hence, the maximum value is x = 5 2 x = \frac{5}{2} .

Where did the 3/2*(x^2) come from?

Andrew Reyes - 7 years ago

By the trivial inequality, ( u + 1 2 x ) 2 0 (u + \frac{1}{2} x)^2 \geq 0 , hence, the expression is greater than or equal to 2 × 3 4 x 2 = 3 2 x 2 2 \times \frac{3}{4} x^2 = \frac{3}{2} x^2 .

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years ago
Cody Johnson
May 10, 2014

From the first condition, we can assume z = 0 z=0 . Also, this makes the 2 2 nd condition naturally true. Then we're left with x 2 + y 2 + ( x + y ) 2 = 9 0 = x 2 + x y + y 2 9 2 x^2+y^2+(x+y)^2=9\implies0=x^2+xy+y^2-\frac92 . Using the quadratic formula, it suffices to maximize x = y ± 18 3 y 2 2 x=\frac{-y\pm\sqrt{18-3y^2}}{2} . This is not hard to maximize to get 6 \sqrt6 using the method of your choice (mine was very messy calculus due to time's sake). Question to the reader: what method would you use? :D

Moderator note:

This solution is wrong, and it makes the invalid assumption that z = 0 z = 0 . The answer is not 6 \sqrt{6} , but 2.5 instead.

Why can we assume that z = 0 z = 0 ?

Note that the answer is not 6 \sqrt{6} , but actually 2.5. The equality condition occurs at x = 5 2 , y = 13 5 8 , z = 13 5 8 x = \frac{ 5}{2}, y = \frac{ \sqrt{13} - 5 } { 8}, z = \frac{ - \sqrt{13} - 5 } { 8 } ,

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

Calvin Lin can u present the solution of this problem?

Vân Dương - 7 years, 1 month ago

i could answer that EQUTAION

Marc Torres - 7 years, 1 month ago

srry i dint get u!

Dhanush Wali - 7 years, 1 month ago

This is my friend 's solution. from the first condition we have 2xy=x^2+(y+z)^2+(x+y+z)^2-9. replace x+y=t the equation becomes 2xy=x^2+t^2+(t+x)^2-9 <==>2(x^2+t^2+tx)-9=2xy<==>2xy=2(t+x/2)^2+3x^2/2-9>=3x^2/2-9 Case 1: With x>=sprt(6)==> 2xy>=0 using second condition: 15/32>=xyz>=1/2*x(3x^2/2-9) ==>3x^3/4-9/2x-15/32<=0==>x<=5/2 So maximum possible value of x is 5/2. then find the value of y and z Case2: With x<sprt(6)<5/2 ==> maximum possible value of x is 5/2.

Vân Dương - 7 years, 1 month ago

i made the use of second inequality. since xyz<15/32. and all of them are real no. we can write xyz<(3*5/2^5). the question asked for maximum value of x so it will be (5/2)=2.5

Prakhar Awasthi - 7 years, 1 month ago

Your solution is not close, u don't use first condition

Vân Dương - 7 years, 1 month ago

using A.M>G.M we get 15\32 > (X+Y+Z)^3\27 and another equation is given,on simplifying that we gat (x+y)^2 +(y+z)^2 +(x+z)^2 =9

Jayraj Kanabar - 7 years, 1 month ago

Note that AM-GM is less likely to be applicable to this question, because the equality case is not when all the variables are equal.

In your inequality, you got the sign mixed around. The GM is 15/32.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

I tried to use thee Laplace equation for this but came up a bit short at 2.05 must have made a miscalculation, I also presumed that x would be a max if x=z=y is this correct?

Kaspar Snashall - 7 years, 1 month ago

Note that for inequalities, the maximum / minimum need not necessarily occur when x = y = z x = y = z .

Furthermore, when you want to find the maximum possible value of x x , you often want to use different values of y y and z z . For example, what is the maximum value of x x subject to x 2 + y 2 = 1 x^2 + y^2 = 1 ?

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 1 month ago

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Jamal Ahmed - 7 years, 1 month ago

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