Exponential Rational Equation?

Find the rational root for the equation x 2 x 1 = 2 x^{2x-1}=2 .


The answer is 0.25.

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Ivan Koswara
Jul 28, 2016

Relevant wiki: General Diophantine Equations - Problem Solving

Let x = p q x = \frac{p}{q} where p , q p,q are coprime integers and q q is positive. Then the equation becomes

( p q ) 2 p q q = 2 \displaystyle \left( \frac{p}{q} \right) ^ {\frac{2p-q}{q}} = 2

Raising each side to the power of q q gives

( p q ) 2 p q = 2 q \displaystyle \left( \frac{p}{q} \right) ^ {2p-q} = 2^q

Multiplying both sides by q 2 p q q^{2p-q} (which is nonzero because q q is positive) gives

p 2 p q = q 2 p q 2 q p^{2p-q} = q^{2p-q} \cdot 2^q

We now divide into three cases.


Case 1 : 2 p q = 0 2p-q = 0

This is impossible, since the equation becomes 1 = 1 2 q 1 = 1 \cdot 2^q , or q = 0 q = 0 , contradicting that q q is positive.


Case 2 : 2 p q > 0 2p-q > 0

Now both sides are integers. The right hand side is divisible by q 2 p q q^{2p-q} , so the left hand side must also be divisible by it. Thus q 2 p q p 2 p q q^{2p-q} | p^{2p-q} , or q p q | p . But since p , q p,q are coprime, we must have q = 1 q = 1 , reducing to p 2 p 1 = 2 p^{2p-1} = 2 .

Now, note that if p 2 p \ge 2 , then p 2 p 1 2 3 = 8 > 2 p^{2p-1} \ge 2^3 = 8 > 2 , so there's no solution there. If p = 1 p = 1 , then p 2 p 1 = 1 1 = 1 2 p^{2p-1} = 1^1 = 1 \neq 2 , so it's not a solution. If p 0 p \le 0 , then 2 p q < 1 2p-q < -1 , contradicting our assumption of the case. So this case doesn't give any solution.


Case 3 : 2 p q < 0 2p-q < 0

Multiply both sides by ( p q ) q 2 p (pq)^{q-2p} . We now have q q 2 p = p q 2 p 2 q q^{q-2p} = p^{q-2p} \cdot 2^q , and both sides are now integers. Similar to Case 2, we have p q p | q , so p = 1 p = 1 and the equation becomes q q 2 = 2 q q^{q-2} = 2^q . Remember that q q is positive.

Now, if q q has an odd prime factor k k , then q 3 q \ge 3 , so q 2 1 q-2 \ge 1 . Thus the left hand side q q 2 q^{q-2} is divisible by q q (because the exponent is positive), which in turn is divisible by k k (because it's a divisor of q q ). So the left hand side is divisible by k k . But the right hand side isn't, since it's a power of 2. Thus q q doesn't have any odd prime factor, and so q = 2 k q = 2^k for some k k . The equation reduces to 2 k ( q 2 ) = 2 q 2^{k(q-2)} = 2^q , or k ( q 2 ) = q k(q-2) = q .

Now, we can check that q = 1 , 2 q = 1, 2 doesn't give a solution ( q = 1 q = 1 leads to k = 0 k = 0 , while q = 2 q = 2 leads to q 2 = 0 q-2 = 0 , so the left hand side is 0, but the right hand side isn't). Otherwise, q 4 q \ge 4 ( q = 3 q = 3 is not a power of 2) and so q 2 2 q-2 \ge 2 , so k = q q 2 = 1 + 2 q 2 1 + 2 2 = 2 k = \frac{q}{q-2} = 1 + \frac{2}{q-2} \le 1 + \frac{2}{2} = 2 . Thus the only candidate remaining is k = 2 k = 2 or q = 4 q = 4 , which is indeed a solution.


Thus the only solution is x = p q = 1 4 x = \frac{p}{q} = \boxed{\frac{1}{4}} , which can be verified to work.

You never fail to impress. Upvoted!

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 10 months ago

That is a valid solution.

I posted the problem about the equation x 2 x 1 = 2 x^{2x-1}=2 indicating to find a rational root. But that is to determine a rational root if it exists, or prove that the equation does not have a rational root. When solving the equation, we can assume that x = p q x=\frac{p}{q} where p p and q q are integers, but that approach is considering that the root is a rational number.

I would like if we solve the equation without considering that the root is rational. Considering that the root is rational we can to find it, but, (assuming): what would happen for example, if a rational root does not exist? We can show that, but then, because of to assume that x = p q x=\frac{p}{q} where p p and q q are integers did not work, how would we solve the equation?

That is to say, let's solve the equation algebraically without assume that x = p q x=\frac{p}{q} where p p and q q are integers.

The solution of Ivan Koswara is good and elegant, but I am interested also in another way to solve it, without assume that x = p q x=\frac{p}{q} where p p and q q are integers.

Alexander Israel Flores Gutiérrez - 4 years, 10 months ago

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For x 1 x \ge 1 , the function x x 2 x 1 x \mapsto x^{2x-1} is continuous and strictly increasing. At x = 1 x = 1 the value is 1 and at x = 2 x = 2 the value is 8, so there is a solution in the interval ( 1 , 2 ) (1,2) (which by above is not rational). Since at x = 2 x = 2 the value is 8, there is no more root for x > 2 x > 2 .

For 1 2 x < 1 \frac{1}{2} \le x < 1 , the base is less than 1 and the exponent is nonnegative, so x 2 x 1 1 x^{2x-1} \le 1 . There is no solution.

0 < x < 1 2 0 < x < \frac{1}{2} is the case that I haven't figured out. By plotting on WolframAlpha, it appears that in this region the function is strictly decreasing. At x = 1 2 x = \frac{1}{2} the value is 1 and at x 0 x \to 0 the value approaches infinity, so there is exactly one solution in this interval, which is 1 4 \frac{1}{4} as found above.

x = 0 x = 0 gives 0 1 0^{-1} which is not defined. x < 0 x < 0 is terrible and usually I leave it undefined either because negative real to the power of real number is awful. (But negative rational to the power of rational number is manageable, hence why I allowed p p to be negative above.)

Ivan Koswara - 4 years, 10 months ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Jul 30, 2016

Writing x = 2 n 1 x = 2^{n-1} we get 2 n = n n 1 . 2^n = \frac n{n-1}. Since n n and n 1 n-1 are necessarily coprime this fraction cannot be reduced any further.

If n n is not rational, then 2 x = 2 n = n / ( n 1 ) 2x = 2^n = n/(n-1) cannot be rational, either, contrary to the assumption.

If n n is rational but not an integer, then 2 n 2^n cannot be rational, but since 2 n = n / ( n 1 ) 2^n = n/(n-1) it must be rational; a contradiction.

Thus it follows that n n is an integer.

If n n is positive, then 2 n 2^n is an integer, so that in the fraction n / ( n 1 ) n/(n-1) the denominator is equal to ± 1 \pm 1 . This requires n = 0 n = 0 or n = 2 n = 2 , and it is easy to see that these are not solutions.

If n n is negative, then 2 n = 1 / K 2^n = 1/K with K K and integer, so that in the fraction n / ( n 1 ) n/(n-1) the numerator is equal to ± 1 \pm 1 . This requires n = 1 n = 1 (which would cause division by zero) or n = 1 n = -1 . The latter is indeed a solution, since 2 1 = 1 ( 1 ) 1 = 1 2 ; 2^{-1} = \frac{-1}{(-1)-1} = \frac 12; it follows that x = 2 n 1 = 2 1 1 = 1 4 = 0.25 . x = 2^{n-1} = 2^{-1-1} = \frac 14 = \boxed{0.25}.

Let a a be a common divisor of n n and n 1 n-1 . Then a a also divides n ( n 1 ) = 1 n - (n-1) = 1 . Therefore a = ± 1 a = \pm 1 .

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 4 years, 10 months ago

(I assumed the conclusion that n n is an integer, which I proved below.)

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 4 years, 10 months ago

Arjen Vreugdenhil: In the fourth line, you are stating: "If n n is not rational, then x = 2 n = n n 1 x=2^{n}=\frac{n}{n-1} cannot be rational". In that case, it is understandable that 2 n 2^{n} is not rational, contradicting that it must be rational because it is equal to n n 1 \frac{n}{n-1} , and x x is not rational. But x = 2 n 1 = 2 n 2 x=2^{n-1}=\frac{2^{n}}{2} , so, why do you state that x = 2 n = n n 1 x=2^{n}=\frac{n}{n-1} ? x x is equal to 2 n 1 2^{n-1} , it is not equal to 2 n 2^{n} .

Alexander Israel Flores Gutiérrez - 4 years, 10 months ago

Right you are... fixing it.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 4 years, 10 months ago

Right. I have this question: How can we prove that n n and n 1 n-1 are necessarily coprimes?

Alexander Israel Flores Gutiérrez - 4 years, 10 months ago

Yes. True.

Alexander Israel Flores Gutiérrez - 4 years, 10 months ago
J D
Jul 27, 2016

X^(2x-1) = 2 X^(2x) = 2x Let a = 2x (.5a)^a = a (.5)^a times (a)^a = a (.5)^a times a^(a-1) = 1 a^(a-1) = 2^a This means that a has to be a power of 2 Try simple powers of 2 to find that a = 1/2 So X = 1/4

Leonel Castillo
Jun 10, 2018

x 2 x 1 = 2 x 2 x = 2 x 2 x = log 2 x log x 2 x = 1 + log 2 log x x^{2x - 1} = 2 \iff x^{2x} = 2x \iff 2x = \frac{\log 2x}{\log x} \iff 2x = 1 + \frac{\log 2}{\log x} If x x is a rational number, so is the right hand side in this equation, and thus so is log 2 log x \frac{\log 2}{\log x} . If log 2 log x = p q \frac{\log 2}{\log x} = \frac{p}{q} then log 2 = p q log x log 2 = log x p q 2 = x p q 2 q = x p \log 2 = \frac{p}{q} \log x \implies \log 2 = \log x^{\frac{p}{q}} \implies 2 = x^{\frac{p}{q}} \implies 2^q = x^p . If x x is a rational number and p , q p,q are integers, the only way for this equation to hold true is if x = 2 b x = 2^b where b b must be an integer. Substituing x = 2 b x = 2^b in 2 x = 1 + log 2 log x 2x = 1 + \frac{\log 2}{\log x} yields 2 b + 1 = 1 + 1 b 2^{b+1} = 1 + \frac{1}{b} .

If b b was a positive integer, the left-hand side is too big compared to the right-hand side, and if we let b b be negative, the left-hand side is able to go to 0 at an exponential speed, so any solutions will have small absolute value. Testing small values we find that b = 2 b = -2 is a solution yielding x = 2 2 = 1 4 x = 2^{-2} = \frac{1}{4} .

An algebraical solution is wanted.

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