Find the value of the infinitely nested expression below.
6 + 6 + 6 + …
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Simple standard approach for dealing with nested functions.
Neat solution!
Why can't the answer be negative?
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It can't be negative because the function takes non-negative real numbers to non-negative real numbers, i.e. the function never outputs a negative number.
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root always makes a non negative solution but remeber that the sign plus minus is before the root so it can also negative value but since there is no option as such, the answer is 3 only. If you put -2, even then the answer will be same but it is an extraneous root.
: R + → R +
Because no negative answers were among the choices.
Actually, it could be negative. In this case, x=-2 is an extranious solution intrudced by squaring both sides of the equation in the second step.
Because else, there will be a infinite number of complex solutions.
6 ± 6 ± 6 ± …
So only positive ones are considered when dealing with n
We were looking for a "real" solution
This question is not as straightforward to do properly as one might think.
All of the posted solutions are only valid once you know that the expression converges. For example, consider:
x = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 1 6 + . . . . .
Obviously this series does not converge; however, using the method given in the other solutions:
x = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 1 6 + . . . . . = 1 + 2 ( 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 1 6 + . . . . . ) = 1 + 2 x
⇒ x = − 1 , which is obviously not correct.
So first we need to prove that x = 6 + 6 + 6 + … converges. What's meant by the expression is also not completely clear in a rigorous sense, so I'll define it as follows:
Suppose x 0 = 6 , and let x i = 6 + x i − 1 , for i = 1 , 2 , … . Then we define
x = 6 + 6 + 6 + … = i → ∞ lim x i
We want to show that this sequence is bounded and monotonic: in this case, we want to show that it is bounded above, and increasing. Then we will know that the limit exists and is finite (and that lim i → ∞ x i = sup { x i : i = 0 , 1 , … } ).
Let's look at the region in which the sequence is increasing, i.e. x i + 1 > x i .
x i + 1 > x i ⇒ 6 + x i > x i ⇒ x i 2 − x i − 6 < 0 ⇒ − 2 < x i < 3
For x i > − 2 , we see that x i + 1 = 6 + x i > 4 = 2 > − 2 . For x i < 3 , we see that x i + 1 = 6 + x i < 9 = 3 . Thus if x i is in an increasing region, so is x i + 1 . Since − 2 < x 0 < 3 , by induction we see that − 2 < x i < 3 ∀ i .
So we have bounded the sequence above by the value 3 , and checked that the sequence is increasing. Thus the limit exists and is finite. Thus we can solve x i + 1 = x i to get the limit. Since the sequence is increasing, we of course want the higher of these solutions, x = 3 .
While my solution might seem like overkill, hopefully the first example I gave should show why it is necessary to prove that the limit exists and is finite before trying to find it!
I liked the proof of convergence. Just like to point out that there is an index wrong; namely when you claim that x i + 1 > x i ⟹ 6 + x i − 1 > x i , I think I has to be … ⟹ 6 + x i > x i . Anyway, congratulations, nice demonstration.
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Thanks for that! Little bit late, but I've corrected that index :) cheers for pointing it out!
Enjoyed the explanation. I knew that it had something to do with limits when I saw the ellipses. For ease of reading, please put one equation on one line. I don't remember. Were limits first covered in calculus or algebra?
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Thanks! I've tried to put things on separate lines, but this doesn't seem to be as flexible as LaTeX, so I'm not sure if I can do it more neatly.
I covered limits first in calculus, I think, although they weren't rigorously defined until I went to university. There we were given the definition:
lim n → ∞ a n = a is equivalent to ∀ ϵ > 0 , ∃ N such that ∀ n ≥ N , ∣ a n − a ∣ < ϵ .
Ultimately, things weren't covered properly until university!
Thanks a lot for this explanation. Although I didn't get it all but I did get the fact u wanted to point out
using the generalization sqrt(n+sqrt(n+sqrt(n+...)=s
s^2=n+sqrt(n+sqrt(n+...)
s^2=n+s
s^2-s=n
s(s-1)=n
in this case n=6
s(s-1)=6
s=3
I saw that √6 is 2.49–one of the answers–and knew that it would be a bit more than that, but not quite to 4, the square root of 16. The closest one had to be 3.
I did the same and knew I'd find better methods in the discussion!
Why does x=√(6+x) ? I dont understand this, cuz √(6+x) will be a different number or something, so it cant be x.
Assuming as variable y => y = (6 + y) ^ 1/2> 6 + y> y^2 - 6 -2 = 0 >> y = 6 / -3 and y = 6/2; conclusion: a = 3. Given that y = -2 assumes the form of actual number in a square root, the answer is> 3. S = {3, -2}
x= √(6 + √(6 + √(6 + .....)))
x=√(6 + x)
x^2= 6+x
x^2-x-6=0
x=3 (positive value)
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x = 6 + 6 + 6 + …
x = 6 + x ⇒ x 2 = 6 + x
x 2 − x − 6 = 0
( x − 3 ) ( x + 2 ) = 0
Because the answer must be positive, the only solution we're interested in is x = 3 .