An algebra problem by Krishna Sharma

Algebra Level 3

For a , b , c N \displaystyle a,b,c \in \mathbb N , the polynomial a x 2 b x + c \displaystyle ax^{2} - bx + c has 2 distinct real roots p , q p,q such that p , q ( 0 , 1 ) p,q \in (0,1) .

Then find the minimum possible value of 'a' .


The answer is 5.

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2 solutions

Joel Tan
Mar 2, 2015

Consider c = a p q < a c=apq<a .

Then b = a ( p + q ) < a p q + a = c + a b=a (p+q) <apq+a=c+a as a ( 1 p ) ( 1 q ) > 0 a (1-p)(1-q) > 0 .

Also b > 2 p q a = 2 a c b > 2\sqrt {pq} a=2\sqrt {ac} . This is by AM-GM inequality.

So, now b b is bounded between two numbers. One of them, c + a c+a is an integer. This means that the other, 2 a c < c + a 1 2\sqrt {ac} <c+a-1 or equivalently a c > 1 \sqrt {a}-\sqrt {c}> 1 . This is by bringing 2 a c 2\sqrt {ac} across and square rooting.

(Otherwise b b would be between 2 consecutive integers, impossible)

As c 1 c \geq 1 , this immediately implies a > 4 a>4

Thus the minimum is at least 5. But the quadratic 5 x 2 5 x + 1 5x^{2}-5x+1 satisfies the condition. Thus 5 is the answer.

Nikola Djuric
Dec 3, 2014

D=b²-4ac>0 because p,q are real roots,so b²>4ac. Becuse of 0<(b±√(b²-4ac))/2a<1 ,we get -b<±√(b²-4ac)<2a-b ,first inequality is alwaz true because -b<0 and -4ac<0 so we get condition √(b²-4ac)<2a-b which means 2a-b>0 and b²-4ac<4a²-4ab+b², so b<2a and -4ac<4a²-4ab, when divided by 4a means -c<a-b <=> b<a+c. So we have 3 conditions: b<2a,b+<a+c,b²>4ac. To get minimum value for a we must guessing from 1 . a=1 our conditions become
b<2,b<a+c,b²>4ac .Obious b must be 1 from first inequality,but then b²=1 and 1>4c is not true because c is positive integer. So a is not 1.For a=2 we get b<4,b<2+c,b²>8c max for b is 3 so b² max is 9 and for c=1 b²=9>8=4ac,but b<a+c=3 is not satisfied so a is not 2.For a=3 we get b<6,b<3+c,b²>12c. For c=1 b must be at least 4 but then b<a+c=4 is not satisfied.Same for c=2.b must be 5,but then b<a+c=5 is not satisfied.For c=3 b must be at least 6,but how b<6 that can not be the case,so a is not 3.For a=4 we get b<8,b<4+c,b²>16c,for c=1 b<a+c=5 but then b²>16 is not satisfied,so lets try c=2,then b<4+c=6 but then b²>16 is not satisfied again,so for c=3 b<4+c+7 ,but b²>48 is not satisfied,so for c=4 b<4+c=8 but b²>64 is not satisfied,for c=5 because of condition b<2a=8 inequality b²>80 is not satisfied and for c>5 right side of inequality is getting bigger so a=4 is not solution. FOr a=5, our conditions become b<2a=10 , b<5+c , b²>20c and for c=1 they became b<10,b<6,b²>20 ,so b=5 is solution. MINIMUM POSSIBLE VALUE OF a IS 5 and only one equation satisfy our conditions 5x²-5+1, roots are in that case (5±√(25-20))/10 , roots are 1/2±1/(2√5), p~0,7236,q~0,2764

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