A Murder Mystery

Logic Level 1

One evening there was a murder in the home of a father, a mother, their son, and their daughter.

One of these four people murdered one of the others. One other member of the family witnessed the crime. The other one helped the murderer.

These are the things we know for sure:

  1. The witness and the one who helped the murderer were not of the same sex.
  2. The oldest person and the witness were not of the same sex.
  3. The youngest person and the victim were not of the same sex.
  4. The one who helped the murderer was older than the victim.
  5. The father was the oldest member of the family.
  6. The murderer was not the youngest member of the family.

Who was the murderer?

Witness The Oldest member Father Mother

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16 solutions

Simple Process of Elimination: The father is the oldest, so it can't be choice 1 or 3, and the witness could not be the murderer, so that leaves one choice

The question​ was very good but the options weren't. Firstly after reading the options I just put the answer as the mother. As remaining options are illogical. And BINGO

sayantan mondal - 3 years, 3 months ago

Then who’s the murderer?

Diana Bradish - 1 year, 2 months ago

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The sister. Youngest family member is Stepmom Stephanie who was also the witness of the weird family fratricide.

Saya Suka - 2 months, 1 week ago

Completely agree. MCAT mindset, cross out the similar answer choices and the remaining should be obvious. Like you, took me ~5 seconds.

Filip Leszczynski - 5 years, 4 months ago
Vaibhav Prasad
Mar 28, 2015

First let's see point 5 5 , and name the f a t h e r father as the oldest person :

The Father The oldest person \large {\text{The Father} \rightarrow \text{The oldest person}}

Then according to point 2 2 , the witness has to be a f e m a l e female , which leads to the conclusion from point 1 1 , that the person who helped the murderer is a m a l e male . Since there is only one more male in the family, we conclude that the person who helped the murder must be the s o n son . So we name him :

The Son The Helper \large {\text {The Son} \rightarrow \text {The Helper}}

Since the s o n son was the helper, he cannot be the victim. Thus from point 4 4 , we can conclude that the d a u g h t e r daughter must be the victim as the helper,i.e, the son, cannot be older than his parents. So we name her :

The Daughter The Victim \large {\text {The Daughter} \rightarrow \text {The Victim}}

Now we have two people left for the position of the murderer, the f a t h e r father and the m o t h e r mother . Since in the Multiple Choice Options give both "the oldest person" and "the father' as options, we obviously cannot tick both of them and hence the father would not be the murderer. And hence, the mother was the MURDERER \text {MURDERER}

According to your answer: Murderer -> Mother ; Witness -> Father ; Helper -> Son ; Victim -> Daughter ;

This is impossible as the witness has to be a female. Unless I missed something, the answer is: Murderer -> Mother ; Witness -> Daughter ; Helper -> Father ; Victim -> Son ;

Ori Shussman - 5 years, 7 months ago

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@Ori Shussman yup I agree with you.

I think that this might be a better treatment of the problem...

From statement 2: The oldest person and the witness were not of the same sex. And statement 5: The father was the oldest member of the family. (1) We deduce that the witness is female.

From statement 1: The witness and the one who helped the murderer were not of the same sex. And subconclusion (1): the witness is female (2) We deduce that the helper is male.

From statement 4: The one who helped the murderer was older than the victim. And statement 3: The youngest person and the victim were not of the same sex. And statement 6: The murderer was not the youngest member of the family. (3) We deduce that the helper, victim and murderer were not the youngest in the family; thus, the witness was (and still is) the youngest. (4) Therefore, referring to subconclusion (1), the witness is the daughter.

From statement 3: The youngest person and the victim were not of the same sex. And subconclusion (4): the witness is the daughter (5) We deduce that the victim was male. (6) Therefore, since two males (helper, victim) and one female (witness) have been identified, the murderer is female. (7) Since the witness is the daughter (4), the murderer is the mother.

Additional stuff: From statement 4: The one who helped the murderer was older than the victim. (8) Since only the victim and helper have not been identified (and they are both male), the helper is the father and the victim is/was the son.

In summary: Daughter - witness; Mother - murderer; Father - helper; Son - victim

Yulong Lin - 5 years, 7 months ago

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Thanks for spelling it out. I wasn’t satisfied with the multiple choice answer I got (elimination).

Sarah Santitoro - 11 months ago

This is also what I came up with.

Hannah James - 5 years ago

Why there are 13 up votes as it's a wrong solution? How can father be witness and son be helper where point 1 state that "The witness and the one who helped the murderer were not of the same sex.".

Zakir Dakua - 5 years, 7 months ago

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Granted it took me awhile but his point takes in a perspective you did not. When you read that you assume a lot of points, the main one is, once one statement takes a trait of a character it rules out other statements that may also describe the same character.

Ally Worcester - 5 years, 4 months ago

Your answer is wrong. Why can't the father be helper?

There are 2 ways to solve the question.

First by solving through elimination grid (correct method) and second the MCQ method which you have used anyway.

Father and oldest person are given so none of them can be the answer. Witness can't be the murderer so it leaves us with mother as the murderer.

Full answer ==>

father = helper = oldest

mother = murderer = 2nd oldest

son = victim = 3rd oldest

daughter = witness = youngest

Dhruv Tyagi - 5 years, 3 months ago

I think the options are incorrect. You have established without a doubt that the father is the oldest person, the son is the helper and the daughter is the victim. Now, according to point 2, the witness is a female. This female cannot be the daughter since she is the victim. So the mother is the witness. The murderer has to be father.

Vinay Somasundar - 5 years ago

I don't think anyone picked up on the fact that the clue for the father was the only one in past tense and therefore the rest would be a simple process of elimination

Brendan Mitchell - 4 years, 9 months ago

I don't understand, how did you get this? " We deduce that the helper, victim and murderer were not the youngest in the family"

Teemo pan - 3 years, 10 months ago

The problem with your deduction is when you named the son as the helper. Where in fact you have two option from the sex(Helper) = male. When you take the son option you will have an inconsistency which is the youngest one is the victim. Where from point 3 they don't have the same sex. ( with a couple of other inconsistency like having the father as the witness where point 2 says otherwise ). So from this we are obliged to consider the father as the helper. We proceed with the same manner with the witness . We have sex(witness)=female . Which mean either the daughter or the mother. If we chose the mother, we will have another inconsistency . as if we chose one as the victim he can't be the youngest from 3 but the other one can't be in the same time the murderer and the youngest because of 6. From this we must consider the daughter as the witness. Lastly we have the position of murderer and victime for the mother and the son. If we chose the mother as the victim, we have from 3 the sex of the youngest is male. Which mean that the son is the youngest and the murderer . this contradict 6. As always we conclude that the mother is the murderer and the son is the victim. And as the victim is not the youngest from 3. We will leave the position to the daughter. In conclusion we have The father : the oldest and the helper. The daughter : the youngest and the witness The mother : the murderer The son : the victim

Rei Amy - 3 years, 3 months ago
Ishaan Panda
Jun 7, 2015

it is very simple ! You dont need to think in this question. This question is about common sense and wit . The options were A)Witness- who cannot be the murderer because he was the Witness!

B) C) were father and oldest person respectively and as we were told that father is the oldest person it contradicts.

So option D)Mother is the only option option valid here

Yup true but in the spirit of answering the question, it is possible to work out the role of each person in the family. So I'll still try to work it out first :P

It will be better if the options were mother, father, son and daughter instead :)

Yulong Lin - 5 years, 7 months ago

Makes me feel dumb now for working that hard on it

Anysha Kumar - 3 years, 1 month ago
Jihoon Kang
Jun 8, 2016

We assume there is only 1 answer out of the four answers given, hence we can eliminate "the father" and "the oldest member" by a contradiction as follows:

Suppose "the father" is the correct answer, then, since "the father"="the oldest member", this is also the correct answer. But then we have more than 1 correct answer. Therefore "the father" is not the correct answer.

Symmetrical argument eliminates "the oldest member".

Now we have only two possible answers, but we were told that: "One of these four people murdered one of the others. One other member of the family witnessed the crime. The other one helped the murderer." which implies that the murderer and the witness are different people, hence we conclude that "the witness" is an incorrect answer.

By a process of elimination, we are only left with the answer "the mother".

Kelly Muscha
Jul 24, 2015

Ok, lets look at it like this:

Saya Suka
Apr 3, 2021

1) Clue 5 ==> oldest father
2) Clue 2 ==> female witness (mother or daughter)
3) Clue 1 ==> male accomplice / helper (father or son)
4) Clue 4 ==> oldest father is alive (the victim had someone older in the family) and that the accomplice has someone younger in the family
5) Clue 3 ==> older brother male victim (or if you're creative, a younger brother male victim with an even younger stepmother?) or a female victim in the middle of age line (have a youngest son in the family)
6) Clue 6 ==> "The murderer was not the youngest member of the family"
==> mother murdered her own son, or
==> sister killed her own brother, because
==> the youngest can neither be a murderer nor the victim not even the helper, so youngest = witness and we're already told that the witness is a female, so son can't be the youngest in the family.






# Murderer Victim Witness Helper
1 (Biological / Birth) Mother Son Younger Sister Father
2 Daughter (Step)son Youngest (Step)mother Father

No option for daughter, so mother it is.

Robert DeLisle
Sep 18, 2020

Zahid Hussain
Jul 26, 2019

First of all the answers should have been Father, Mother, Son and Daughter and then one could methodically work out the answer as some of the people like myself did which is as follows. Youngest person can't be victim (3), helper (4) or murderer (6) so he or she is witness.
As father is the oldest (5) so witness cannot be a male (2). So the youngest person who is the witness is the daughter.
Father can't be victim because 4 says there should be someone older than victim so either the mother or the father is helper (4). Mother cannot be helper (1) because she is the same sex as victim so father is the helper.
Mother cannot be victim (3) so son is victim and mother is murderer.

On second thoughts I guess the options were deliberately designed like that to teach us to read the options as well before starting to solve the problem. In other words to work smart rather than work hard.

Zahid Hussain - 1 year, 10 months ago
  • Each member of family took ONE role in the murder. Also, keep in mind that parents are older than children (from clue 4).
  • From clue 5, Mother being the second oldest.
  • From clues 5 and 2, we conclude that witness is female (clue 7).
  • From clues 7 and 1, we now know that the help is male (clue 8).
  • Clue 6 tells us that the murderer is neither the son nor daughter (we don't know which child is younger, yet).
  • Clue 4 says the help (male) is older than victim, so that victim cannot be the father.
  • From clues 6 and 3, we conclude that the youngest is neither the murderer nor the victim (clue 9).
  • From clues 7 and 4, we conclude that the father is NOT the victim nor witness, so he is EITHER murderer or help (clue 10).
  • Clue 4 tells us that the youngest cannot be the help. Together with clue 9, the youngest is the witness.
  • With father being oldest and mother being second oldest, that leaves son or daughter being the youngest (aka, the witness). Clue 7 says witness being female, that concludes the daughter being the witness and the youngest in family (link #1).
  • Now we know the age in descending order: father, mother, son, daughter.
  • Clue 3 and link #1 tell us that the victim is male (EITHER father or son). By clue 10, we conclude that son is the *victim * (link #2).
  • By now, we have father and mother being murderer and help (process of elimination and clue 10).
  • That only leaves mother being the murderer and father the help

Clearly the mother is the murderer, but there are two different outcomes depending on whether the son or the daughter is the youngest. Since this isn't specified, it can work out either way.

If the son is the youngest, then the father is the helper, the son is the victim, and the daughter witnessed it. if the daughter is the youngest, then the father is the victim, the son is the helper, and the daughter witnessed it.

For both scenarios, all the rules apply.

Your second scenario has a contradiction. Father must be oldest, and it states that the helper is older than the victim. Therefore father can't be the victim. So only your first solution holds.

Brandon Ahl - 1 year, 5 months ago

Youngest witness is correct, but not necessarily the daughter but must be a female.

Saya Suka - 2 months, 1 week ago

Actually, both scenarios are flawed. Son can't be both the youngest and the victim (by Clue 3) and father can't be the victim (by Clue 4 & 5).

Saya Suka - 2 months, 1 week ago
Alexis Lucattini
Dec 28, 2016

It is obviously the mother by a process of elimination with the answers.

However, if you wish to verify the whole table I have put forward my logic below:

a) The helper was the mother or the father. This uses point 3 and point 4. The victim was at least the third oldest which implies the helper was either the mother or the father.

b) The witness is female. This uses point 5 and point 2. The father is the oldest and the oldest is the opposite sex to the witness. Witness is female.

c) The helper is the father. We can then use point 1 to prove that helper is male, and therefore the helper must be the father from point (a).

d) The youngest member of the family is the witness. The victim is not the youngest point 3, the murderer is not the youngest point 6, that leaves the witness to be the youngest.

e) The daughter is the witness. Combine (b) and (d)

f) The mother is the murderer, the son is the victim. From point 4.

Therefore in order of age:

Father == Helper

Mother == Murderer

Son == Victim

Daughter == Witness

First Last
Nov 13, 2016

Father is oldest and helper. Mother is second oldest and murderer. Son is second youngest and victim. Daughter is witness and youngest.

Since the witness is not the murderer and the father is the oldest member. As option 1 and 3 are the same, option 2 is wrong which leadds to option 4 as the only possible option

Fareed Al-Bender
May 23, 2016

I actually solved this problem effortlessly with a little trick:

We already know the witness isn't the murderer, so answer 1 is out of the question. from point 5 the father is the oldest, thus if the father is the murderer then the oldest is the murderer, so answers 2 and 4 are either both false or both true, there can't be 2 true answers, so the have to be both false, leaving us with answer 3, the mother.

Yup, since only one option can correct, it is easy to see that the mother must be the murderer.

Pranshu Gaba - 5 years ago

True. But if you work it out without looking at the choices, it is a very nice problem. I think it's unfortunate that the choices provide such an easy method.

Peter Byers - 5 years ago
Finn C
Apr 16, 2016

There were four options.

a) Oldest member

b) Father

c) Witness

d) Mother

Given that the murderer cannot also be the witness, it was not c. Given that the father and the oldest member were the same people, the question would not be correct if only one of them was the murderer. Therefore, the only option left was the murderer.

That isn't the most methodical way of doing it, but maybe the four options could be

a) Father

b) Mother

c) Daughter

d) Not enough information

Moderator note:

In order to present a rigorous solution, it should be independent of the options given.

Zakir Dakua
Nov 14, 2015

From point 5, Father is the oldest person. From point 2 father and son can't be witness and from point 1 one of them is helper.

So here are 4 different situations about witness and helper:

  1. Daughter = Witness, Son = Helper
  2. Mother = Witness, Father = Helper
  3. Mother = Witness, Son = Helper
  4. Daughter = Witness, Father = Helper

Situation 1: As point 4 helper (son) should be older than the victim (father/mother). So this situation can be clear out.

Situation 2: So here one from son and daughter is victim and other is murderer. From point 3 youngest person can't be victim, so he/she should be murderer but that contradict to point 6. So this situation can be clear out.

Situation 3: So here one from father and daughter is victim and other is murderer. Since as point 4 helper (son) should be older than victim, father can't be victim, and daughter also can't be victim as then she will be youngest and that will contradict to point 3 (youngest person and the victim were not of the same sex). So this situation can be clear out.

Situation 4: So here one from son and mother is victim and other is murderer. If son is murderer he can't be youngest, then daughter should be youngest but that contradict to point 3 that state that the youngest person (daughter) and the victim (mother) were not of the same sex. So only possible solution is Mother = Murderer, Son = Victim, Daughter = Witness, Father = Helper

Ans: Murderer = Mother.

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