An algebra problem by Paola Ramírez

Algebra Level 2

If 7 x + 7 = 8 x 7^{x+7}=8^x , x = log b 7 7 x=\log_{b} 7^7 and b = m n b=\frac{m}{n} . Find m + n m+n


The answer is 15.

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5 solutions

7 x + 7 = 7 x 7 7 = 8 x 7 7 = ( 8 7 ) x x = log b 7 7 = log b ( 8 7 ) x = x log b ( 8 7 ) 1 = log b ( 8 7 ) b 1 = 8 7 m + n = 15 \large 7^{x+7}=7^x*7^7=8^x~~\therefore ~7^7=\left (\dfrac{8}{7} \right )^x \\ \large x=\log_{b} 7^7=\log_{b}\left (\dfrac{8}{7} \right )^x= x*\log_{b}\left (\dfrac{8}{7} \right )\\ \large \implies~1= \log_{b}\left (\dfrac{8}{7} \right )\\ \large \implies~~b^1= \dfrac{8}{7} \\ \large m+n= \boxed{\color{#D61F06}{15}}

If x = logb(7^7), so b^x = 7^7 . Then, b = 8/7

Rodrigo Escorcio - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Fail to see how b = 8 7 f r o m b x = 7 7 b=\dfrac{8}{7} ~~from~~ b^x=7^7

Niranjan Khanderia - 6 years, 3 months ago
Paola Ramírez
Feb 22, 2015

7 x + 7 = 8 x 7^{x+7}=8^{x}

log 7 x + 7 = log 8 x \log 7^{x+7}=\log 8^x

( x + 7 ) log 7 = x log 8 (x+7)\log 7=x\log 8

x ( log 8 l o g 7 ) = log 7 7 x(\log 8-log 7)=\log 7^{7}

x = log 7 7 log 8 log 7 = log 7 7 log 8 7 x= \frac{ \log 7^{7} } {\log 8-\log 7}= \frac{ \log 7^{7} } {\log \frac{8}{7}}

Apply change of base:

x = log 8 7 7 7 log 8 7 10 log 8 7 8 7 log 8 7 10 = log 8 7 7 7 x=\frac{\frac{ \log_{\frac{8}{7}} 7^7}{ \log_{\frac{8}{7}} 10}}{\frac{ \log_{\frac{8}{7}} \frac{8}{7}}{ \log_{\frac{8}{7}} 10}}=\log_{\frac{8}{7}} 7^7

b = 8 7 \therefore b=\frac{8}{7} and m + n = 15 \boxed{m+n=15}

this solution is way more accessible than the first one. however, the changing of base is an unnecessary step because your initial logarithm log7^(x+7) has the base 10 as well as log8^x therefore the fraction where you get to x is between 2 logarithms with the same base (10) and the formula is just what you got by changing the base. all in all, good solution and simpler.

Paula Ghergu - 6 years, 3 months ago

i cant understand the fourth step

Aman Real - 6 years, 2 months ago
Gamal Sultan
Mar 3, 2015

(7^7)(7^x) = 8^x

7^7 = (8/7)^x

Taking the logarithm for the base b

log (7^7) = x log (8/7) = x

Then

log (8/7) = 1

Then

b = 8/7 = m/n

Then

m + n = 8 + 7 = 15

Anna Anant
Mar 5, 2015

7^(x + 7) = 8^x (x + 7)ln(7) = xln(8) x = 7ln(7)/(ln(8/7)) = 7*log(base 8/7) 7 Therefore b = 8/7 m + n = 15 OR

Simply from 1st equation, we get

7^7 = (8/7)^x

Substituting the value of 7^7 in 2nd equation, we get

x = log b (8/7)^x where b is the base of the log

Thus,

x = x log b (8/7)

Thus, we get

b = 8/7 = m/n

Therefore, m = 8 and n = 7

So, m+n = 15

Since, x = log b 7 7 x= \log _{ b }{ 7^{ 7 } } , therefore, b x = 7 7 ( 1 ) b^{ x }=7^{ 7 } \rightarrow (1) , it is also apparent that b > 0 b > 0 .

Then,

Since, 7 x + 7 = 8 x 7^{x+7} = 8^x , therefore 7 x 7 7 = 8 x 7^x \cdot 7^7 = 8^x , then substituting from ( 1 ) (1) , therefore, 7 x b x = 8 x 7^x \cdot b^x = 8^x .

Now taking x t h x^{th} root of both sides ,

Therefore, 7 x b x x = 8 x x \sqrt[x]{7^x \cdot b^x} = \sqrt[x]{8^x} ,

Then , 7 b = 8 7 \cdot b = 8 ,

Therefore, b = 8 7 = m n b = \frac{8}{7} = \frac{m}{n} ,

Therefore, m + n = 8 + 7 = 15 m+n = 8+7 = \boxed{15} .

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