Ballistic pendulum

A bullet of mass 20 g 20~g travelling horizontally at 100 m / s 100~m/s embeds itself in the center of a block of mass 1 k g 1~kg which is suspended by light vertical string 1 m 1~m in length. Calculate the maximum inclination of the string to the vertical in degrees.

Details and assumptions

  • The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m / s 2 -9.8~m/s^2 .


The answer is 36.5.

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we can apply law of conservation of momentum and law of conservation f energy, let the bullet be m1, the block be m2, and the velocity before and after the bullet embeds are v1 and v2. thus we have.(the block dont have momentum before the bullet embeds because it has no initial velocity)

m 1 v 1 = ( m 1 + m 2 ) v 2 m_{1}v_{1}=(m_{1}+m_{2})v{2} 0.02 × 100 = ( 0.02 + 1 ) v 2 0.02\times 100=(0.02+1)v_{2} 2 1.02 = v 2 \frac{2}{1.02}=v_{2}

now we will apply law of conservation of energy

K E = E P KE=EP 1 2 m ( v 2 ) 2 = m g h \frac{1}{2}m(v_{2})^{2}=mgh 1 2 ( v 2 ) 2 = g h \frac{1}{2}(v_{2})^{2}=gh 1 2 ( 2 1.02 ) 2 = 9.8 × h \frac{1}{2}(\frac{2}{1.02})^{2}=9.8\times h 0.1961568941302011 = h 0.1961568941302011=h

sin θ = 1 0.1961568941302011 1 \sin\theta=\frac{1-0.1961568941302011}{1} sin θ = 0.8038431058697989 \sin\theta=0.8038431058697989 θ = 53.498675106806 \theta=53.498675106806 \theta is maximum inclination to the horizontal, so the inclination to the vertical is 90 53.498675106806 = 36.501324893194 90-53.498675106806=36.501324893194

Why cant we take the Block and the bullet as the system and apply energy conservation? means initially total kinetic energy is that of moving bullet and finally potential energy is that of both at height h..doing so I got h=10 which is not possible so why is it incorrect..

Kishan k - 7 years, 5 months ago

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When the bullet is embedded into the block energy is not conserved, as is usually the case in inelastic collisions like this.

David Garcia - 7 years, 5 months ago

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I tried the same approach with similar results. I did forget to add the mass of the bullet to the mass of the block but that should not make a difference to the result. I guess the key here is that there are constraints on the motion of the pendulum (circular for our purposes) and of course, the loss in horizontal kinetic energy is made up for by the gain in potential energy. It seems to lead to a fairly complex analysis. Definitely, the collision has to be assumed to be elastic , otherwise, the energy and momentum would not be transferred and we would have no information to proceed. And somehow (leaving aside Quantum mechanics and energy / uncertainty relationship etc) , the energy conservation law seems more fundamental than the momentum conservation law. The key seems to be the fact that the actual system is planar and there are 2 components to every variable. One approach seems to be to look at the bullet imparting a torque which would lead to a rotation (possibly incomplete) of the system but the gravitational force complicates matters

Sundar R - 7 years, 4 months ago

We cannot do that because it is not mentioned that the collision of the bullet and the block is elastic. And we can only conserve energy before and after the collision if the collision is elastic, which in this case is not and there will be an energy loss in the form of heat,sound, etc.

Het Sheth - 7 years, 4 months ago

why is .196 subtracted from 1? answer pls.

JejeRem JereRem - 7 years, 2 months ago

That's PE not EP

Shiven Bholwani - 7 years, 5 months ago
Ahaan Rungta
Dec 31, 2013

Let v A v_A be the entrance speed given: 100 m/s. Let v B v_B be speed at which the block-bullet system sets off. We know, from conservation of energy, that

v B 2 = 2 g h , v_B^2 = 2gh, where h h is the height above the original position of the block to which the system rises. So, from conservation of momentum, if m m is the mass of the bullet and M M is the mass of the block, we have:

m v A = ( m + M ) v B v B = m m + M v A mv_A = (m+M) v_B \implies v_B = \dfrac {m}{m+M} \cdot v_A

So, we have: h = v B 2 2 g = ( m m + M v A ) 2 2 g h = \dfrac {v_B^2}{2g} = \dfrac {\left( \dfrac {m}{m+M} \cdot v_A \right)^2}{2g} .

Our goal is to find θ \theta , the rise angle. Using some trigonometry, we see that

cos ( θ ) = 1 h , \cos \left( \theta \right) = 1 - \dfrac {h}{\ell},

where \ell is the length of the string. Substituting the given numbers, we have θ = 36. 5 \theta = \boxed {36.5^\circ} .

Good one.

Soham Dibyachintan - 7 years, 5 months ago
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Dec 27, 2013

When the bullet is embedding itself into the block you can conserve momentum of the bullet-block system because we can neglect the impulse of gravity and tension in the string(Both have much less magnitude than the normal force)

So we have 20 g 100 m / s = 1020 g v 20g * 100 m/s = 1020g *v v = 2 1.02 m / s v=\frac{2}{1.02} m/s

Note: Considering v 2 v\approx 2 gives the correct answer of 37 degrees, otherwise the angle rounds off to 36 and not 37 degrees. It should have been made clear in the question to neglect the mass of the bullet, or they could have provided multiple choice options.

Then using conservation of mechanical energy we get:- v 2 2 = l g ( 1 cos θ ) \frac{v^2}{2}=lg(1-\cos\theta) cos θ 4 5 \cos\theta\approx \frac 45 Thus θ 37 \theta\approx 37

we can use mv = (M+m)(2gh)^0.5 so 20E-3 100 = (20E-3+1)(2 10*h)^0.5 then h = 0.2 use cos a = (1-0,2)/1 a = 37

andre yudhistika - 7 years, 5 months ago

yup ... it should have been made clear because angle is found to be 36.49 which rounds off to 36 ..!!

Vipul Panwar - 7 years, 5 months ago

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but my calc said arc cos 0.8= 36.86=37

andre yudhistika - 7 years, 5 months ago

By "conservation law of momentum" we get the velocity of the two bodies after the impact ------> M1V1 + M2 V2 = Vc( M1+M2 ) ------> (0.02 X 100) + (1 X 0) = Vc ( 0.02 + 1 ) ------> Vc = 1.9607 ------> Vc = sqrt ( 2 X g X h ) ------> 1.9607 = sqrt (2 X 9.8 X h ) ------> h = 0.196 ------> h = L( 1 - cos x ) ------> 0.196 = 1(1-cos x ) ------> then, angle ------> x = 36.5

easy but good

Yash Jaiswal - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Thank you :D

Sherif Elmaghraby - 7 years, 3 months ago

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