An irrational competition

Calculus Level 2

Which of the following is larger?

e π e^\pi or π e \pi^e

N.B - Using a calculator is cheating. Please try to solve via a proof. Hint: Imagine the numbers as a function.

e π e^\pi π e \pi^e

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4 solutions

Michael Mendrin
May 11, 2018

Let's assume that, to see where this goes

e π > π e e^\pi > \pi^e

Then we have

e 1 e > π 1 π e^{\frac{1}{e}}\ > \pi^{\frac{1}{\pi}}

So, let's consider for which x x the following function is at maximum

x 1 x x^{\frac{1}{x}}\

We differentiate this to get, and factor the result

x ( 1 x 2 ) ( 1 L o g ( x ) ) x^{(\frac{1}{x}-2)} (1-Log(x))

This is a maximum when x = e x=e , so that the original assumption was correct, and indeed that

e π > π e e^\pi > \pi^e

This is not circular reasoning, since we can work backwards.

Steven Chase
May 11, 2018

"The exponent usually wins" is a decent, though not infallible, heuristic (when the bases are of similar size).

Matin Naseri
May 11, 2018
Jacob Morris
May 11, 2018

I first saw this proof approximately 1 year ago. Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHD7zmLVa8&t=8s for a detailed explanation. I would highly recommend blackpenredpen. It is a great YouTube channel that explores mathematics. Anyway, onto the proof.

e π e^\pi vs π e \pi^e

To consider this we shall try to get the numbers in the form of a function. To do this we must have the numbers raised to the same power. In a sense we want both to look like a Cartesian equation.

l e t let

e π = ( e 1 e ) e π = ( X 1 ) 1 X 1 e^\pi = (e^\frac{1}{e})^{e\pi} = (X_1)^\frac{1}{X_1}

π e = ( π 1 π ) e π = ( X 2 ) 1 X 2 \pi^e = (\pi^\frac{1}{\pi})^{e\pi} = (X_2)^\frac{1}{X_2}

We now have each number in the form X 1 X X^\frac{1}{X} so we can plot a graph of y = X 1 X y = X^\frac{1}{X}

In order to find the maximum point of the graph we need to differentiate the function. However before this we must use logarithims.

l n ( y ) = 1 X l n ( X ) ln(y) = \frac{1}{X} ln(X)

Differentiating

1 y d y d x = 1 X 2 l n ( X ) X 2 \frac{1}{y}\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{X^2} - \frac{ln(X)}{X^2}

d y d x = 1 y [ 1 X 2 l n ( X ) X 2 ] \frac{dy}{dx} =\frac{1}{y}[\frac{1}{X^2} - \frac{ln(X)}{X^2}]

d y d x = X 1 X [ 1 X 2 l n ( X ) X 2 ] \frac{dy}{dx} = X^\frac{1}{X}[\frac{1}{X^2} - \frac{ln(X)}{X^2}]

d y d x = X 1 X 1 X 2 [ 1 l n ( X ) ] \frac{dy}{dx} = X^\frac{1}{X}\frac{1}{X^2}[1-ln(X)]

At stationary points d y d x = 0 \frac{dy}{dx} = 0

Since X 1 X 1 X 2 X^\frac{1}{X}\frac{1}{X^2} is not 0 ( 1 l n ( X ) ) = 0 (1-ln(X)) = 0

Therefore X = e X = e at the stationary point

If we take numbers either side and implement them into the differential equation we can notice that this point is a maximum for the graph.

So we can say that e 1 e e^\frac{1}{e} is a maximum for X 1 X X^\frac{1}{X}

e 1 e > π 1 π e^\frac{1}{e} > \pi^\frac{1}{\pi}

( e 1 e ) e π > ( π 1 π ) e π (e^\frac{1}{e})^{e\pi} > (\pi^\frac{1}{\pi})^{e\pi}

e π > π e e^\pi > \pi^e

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