Another 5000 Follower Problem

Algebra Level 3

P ( x ) = ( x 2 + 5000 x 1 ) 2 + ( 2 x + 5000 ) 2 P(x)=(x^2+5000x-1)^2+(2x+5000)^2

Let P ( x ) P(x) be a polynomial, then find the sum of all the real solutions to the equation P ( x ) = min ( P ( x ) ) . P(x)=\text{min}(P(x)).

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The answer is -5000.

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Daniel Liu
Mar 2, 2015

Expanding all of that is definitely not going to be fun. So instead, let's generalize the problem and let k = 5000 k=5000 . Our polynomial turns into ( x 2 + k x 1 ) 2 + ( 2 x + k ) 2 (x^2+kx-1)^2+(2x+k)^2

This is much easier to expand: ( x 2 + k x 1 ) 2 + ( 2 x + k ) 2 = ( x 4 + 2 k x 3 + ( k 2 2 ) x 2 2 k x + 1 ) + ( 4 x 2 + 4 k x + k 2 ) Adding the first two terms of expression 2 in: = ( x 4 + 2 k x 3 + ( k 2 + 2 ) x 2 + 2 k x + 1 ) + ( k 2 ) We recognize the similar factorization: = ( x 2 + k x + 1 ) 2 + k 2 \begin{aligned} (x^2+kx-1)^2+(2x+k)^2&= (x^4+2kx^3+(k^2-2)x^2-2kx+1)+(4x^2+4kx+k^2)\\ &\text{Adding the first two terms of expression 2 in:}\\ &=(x^4+2kx^3+(k^2+2)x^2+2kx+1)+(k^2)\\ &\text{We recognize the similar factorization:}\\ &=(x^2+kx+1)^2+k^2 \end{aligned}

Substituting k = 5000 k=5000 back in, we get that P ( x ) = ( x 2 + 5000 x + 1 ) 2 + 25000000 P(x)=(x^2+5000x+1)^2+25000000

And now, by the trivial inequality, min ( P ( x ) ) = 25000000 \text{min}(P(x))=25000000 with equality when x 2 + 5000 x + 1 = 0 x^2+5000x+1=0

We confirm that this quadratic has real solutions by checking the discriminant. Now all we need to do is find the sum of these real solutions, which by Vieta's is simply 5000 \boxed{-5000} and we're done.

To be honest , I was expecting some difficult NT question , but nevertheless nice question :)

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 3 months ago

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I might not be done yet ;)

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Ok , I'm interested , I'll be waiting :)

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 3 months ago
Trevor Arashiro
Mar 2, 2015

As an alternative solution, though it uses calc, here's how I did it.

Using the chain rule, ( f ( g ( x ) ) = f ( g ( x ) ) g ( x ) (f(g(x))'=f'(g(x))\cdot g'(x) where f ( x ) = x 2 f(x)=x^2 and g ( x ) = { x 2 + 5000 x 1 2 x + 5000 g(x)=\begin{cases} x^2+5000x-1 \\ 2x+5000 \end{cases}

( x 2 + 5000 x 1 ) 2 ( 2 x + 5000 ) 2 d d x (x^2+5000x-1)^2-(2x+5000)^2~~\frac{d}{dx}

( x + 2500 ) ( 4 x 2 + 20000 x 4 ) + 8 ( x + 25000 ) (x+2500)(4x^2+20000x-4)+8(x+25000)

4 ( x + 2500 ) ( x 2 + 5000 + 4 ) 4(x+2500)(x^2+5000+4)

If we set this equal to 0 to find extreme, we need the smallest and largest roots, not the intermediate root since the graph will look like a " W W .

By the quadratic, x = 2500 ± 1250 5000 4 x=-2500\pm \sqrt{1250\cdot5000-4}

Thus the smallest and greatest roots are the two which aren't -2500.

Thus by Vietas, our answer is 5000 \boxed{-5000}

To prove these minima have the same value, Let x = a 2500 x=a-2500 this means that we are doing a horizontal shift of the graph 2500 to the right.

( ( a 2500 ) 2 + 5000 ( a 2500 ) 1 ) 2 + 4 ( ( a 2500 ) + 2500 ) 2 ((a-2500)^2+5000(a-2500)-1)^2+4((a-2500)+2500)^2

( a 2 5000 a + 5000 a + 250 0 2 2500 5000 1 ) 2 + 4 a 2 (a^2-5000a+5000a+2500^2-2500\cdot5000-1)^2+4a^2

( a 2 250 0 2 1 ) 2 + 4 a 2 (a^2-2500^2-1)^2+4a^2

Obviously, this graph is symmetric about the y axis since if we plug in a=-a, we get the same result.

I was afraid people would calculus-bash this problem OwO

Daniel Liu - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Well, it's not really a bash. Lol.

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 3 months ago
Shekhar Prasad
Mar 4, 2015

P ( x ) = ( x 2 + 5000 x 1 ) 2 + ( 2 x + 5000 ) 2 P ( x ) = 2 ( x 2 + 5000 x 1 ) ( 2 x + 5000 ) + 4 ( 2 x + 5000 ) = 2 ( x 2 + 5000 x + 1 ) ( 2 x + 5000 ) P ( x ) = 0 E i t h e r ( 2 x + 5000 ) = 0 o r ( x 2 + 5000 x + 1 ) = 0 P " ( x ) = 2 ( 2 x + 5000 ) 2 + 4 ( x 2 + 5000 x + 1 ) P " ( x ) f o r ( 2 x + 5000 ) = 0 i s < 0 S o , i t s p o i n t o f m a x i m a . P " ( x ) f o r ( x 2 + 5000 x + 1 ) i s o f f o r m 2 ( 2 x + 5000 ) 2 w h i c h i s > 0 H e n c e s u m o f x f o r w h i c h P ( x ) = M i n ( P ( x ) ) i s g i v e n b y c o e f f i c i e n t o f x i n ( x 2 + 5000 x + 1 ) i . e . 5000. P(x)\quad =\quad { ({ x }^{ 2 }+5000x-1) }^{ 2 }\quad +{ (2x+5000) }^{ 2 }\\ { P }'(x)\quad =\quad 2({ x }^{ 2 }+5000x-1)*(2x+5000)+4*(2x+5000)\quad =\quad 2({ x }^{ 2 }+5000x+1)*(2x+5000)\\ P'(x)\quad =0\quad \Rightarrow \quad Either\quad (2x+5000)=0\quad or\quad ({ x }^{ 2 }+5000x+1)=0\\ P"(x)\quad =\quad 2*{ (2x+5000) }^{ 2 }+4*({ x }^{ 2 }+5000x+1)\\ P"(x)\quad for\quad (2x+5000)=0\quad is\quad <0\quad So,\quad its\quad point\quad of\quad maxima.\\ P"(x)\quad for\quad ({ x }^{ 2 }+5000x+1)\quad is\quad of\quad form\quad 2*{ (2x+5000) }^{ 2 }\quad which\quad is\quad >0\quad \\ Hence\quad sum\quad of\quad x\quad for\quad which\quad P(x)\quad =\quad Min(P(x))\quad is\quad given\quad by\quad coefficient\quad of\quad x\quad in\quad ({ x }^{ 2 }+5000x+1)\quad i.e.\quad -5000.

Carsten Meyer
Feb 25, 2019

Use substitution to simplify the polynomial. Let n : = 2500 n:=2500 as a short hand and complete the square in the first term:

P ( x ) = ( ( x + n ) 2 n 2 1 ) 2 + ( 2 x + 2 n ) 2 = y : = x + n ( y 2 n 2 1 ) 2 + 4 y 2 = y 4 2 ( n 2 + 1 ) y 2 + ( n 2 + 1 ) 2 + 4 y 2 = y 4 2 ( n 2 1 ) y 2 + ( n 2 + 1 ) 2 = ( y 2 n 2 + 1 ) 2 + ( n 2 + 1 ) 2 ( n 2 1 ) 2 ( n 2 + 1 ) 2 ( n 2 1 ) 2 \begin{aligned} P(x)&=((x+n)^2-n^2-1)^2+ (2x+2n)^2\underset{y:=x+n}{=}(y^2-n^2-1)^2+4y^2=y^4-2(n^2+1)y^2+(n^2+1)^2 + 4y^2\\\\ &=y^4-2(n^2-1)y^2+(n^2+1)^2=(y^2-n^2+1)^2+(n^2+1)^2-(n^2-1)^2\geq(n^2+1)^2-(n^2-1)^2 \end{aligned}

In the last step, we complete the square again. The lower bound really is a minimum, because the first quadratic may vanish:

( y 2 n 2 + 1 ) 2 = 0 y 2 = n 2 1 y 1 , 2 = ± n 2 1 , x 1 + x 2 = y = x + n 2 n = -5000 \begin{aligned} (y^2-n^2+1)^2&=0&\Leftrightarrow&&y^2&=n^2-1&\Leftrightarrow&&y_{1,2}&=\pm\sqrt{n^2-1},&x_1+x_2&\underset{y=x+n}{=}-2n=\fbox{-5000} \end{aligned}

Yinchen Wu
Feb 16, 2018

Take the derivative of original function: d y d x \frac{dy}{dx} = 2 ( x 2 + 5000 x 1 ) ( 2 x + 5000 ) + 4 ( 2 x + 5000 ) 2(x^2+5000x-1)(2x+5000)+4(2x+5000)

Because we know that the leading coefficient of the original function is positive, the minimum occurs when d y d x \frac{dy}{dx} = 0 Thus, 2 ( x 2 + 5000 x 1 ) ( 2 x + 5000 ) + 4 ( 2 x + 5000 ) = 0 2(x^2+5000x-1)(2x+5000)+4(2x+5000)=0

We can easily see that x = 2500 x=-2500 is not a valid solution. It centers all the value in that quartic equation, which merely makes the P(x) extremely great for our concern of the minimum

# i.e P(-2500) is much greater than, say, P(0)

Therefore, divided by 2 x + 5000 2x+5000 , we have:

2 ( x 2 + 5000 x 1 ) + 4 = 0 2(x^2+5000x-1)+4=0

x 2 + 5000 x + 1 = 0 x^2+5000x + 1=0

By Vieta's formula, the sum is simply -5000

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