Ants on a tetrahedron

4 4 ants are arranged in such a way that they make up vertex of a regular tetrahedron, of side length 1 m 1m . The ants are named Calvin , Peter , David and Aron . Each ant moves at a speed v = 1 m / s v=1m/s , and moves in such a way that:

Calvin moves toward Peter ,
Peter moves toward David ,
David moves toward Arron ,
Arron moves toward Calvin

If they continue to moves it this direction they will converge somewhere. What time in seconds will it take the ants to meet each other?

This is a variation of a past brilliant problem, by David M.
The ants are free to roam around in 3-d space.
What generalization could you make from this?


The answer is 0.75.

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2 solutions

Beakal Tiliksew
May 22, 2014

since this question hasn't gained any traction, i will just post a rough solution. We split the velocity of the ants, from the symmetry of the problem, we could make one component of the velocity in the centroidal direction. As th that will give the same relative velocity for each ant. You get the velocity of the object in the centroidal direction to be 0.816 m / s 0.816m/s , And the distance from the vertex to the centroid is 6 4 \frac{\sqrt{6}}{4} , giving you a time of 0.75 s 0.75s

Okay, I have a doubt. Please follow my approach and tell me where I am wrong. First, find the velocity of approach of A and B that is velocity along the line joining the two. That is 3/2, since these are equilateral triangle. Since at every instant the figure would be a tetrahedron, the time taken by the ants to converge should be 1/1.5 that is 0.66.

Himanshu Arora - 7 years ago

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What you are saying constricts the object only to two dimensions, suppose in this case, When peter follows david, i assume you split davids velocity, one along peter direction, and one perpendicular to it, which will allow it to move only in the plane of the equilateral triangle. the fact you were able to split the velocity of the object that way, is due to the planar symmetry , which you would have lost when you made it a tetrahedron.

Beakal Tiliksew - 7 years ago

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Great explanation! : ) I too had that doubt.

Karthik Kannan - 6 years, 12 months ago

But... when peter follows david, at the same time david follows arron... initially, both peter and david move in the plane of the base triangle.. but arron moves in a different plane... david would have to leave the plane of the base triangle forcing peter to do the same... thus, I'm guessing that they wouldn't be confined to planar motion even if you split the velocity that way... but that gives the wrong answer... I don't understand why :( please correct me...

Deepani Agarwal - 7 years ago

Unfortunately, this solution is wrong. The problem is your assumption that tetrahedral symmetry will be maintained throughout the motion (resulting in constant radial velocity), which is not true given the problem description. As the motion progresses, the tetrahedron will flatten to a square and the corresponding paths will have a total length of ( 1 2 + sinh 1 ( 1 ) 2 2 ) \left(\frac 12 + \frac{\sinh^{-1}(1)}{2\sqrt 2}\right) m (approximately 0.81 m).

Mattias Blennow - 6 years, 10 months ago

Answer may be correct but entirely wrong explanation, and time should be 0.725 seconds. How?? We need find the distance ( S S ) of centroid from the vertices of tetrahedron and take component of velocity ( V V ) along the direction of centorid and find time using fromula S = V × T S= V\times T . But first we need to find distance of centroid of tetrahedron from vertices A A , C C , B B , D D !! To do that we need to find the distance of centroid of triangle C B D CBD (base of tetrahedron) from vertices C C , B B , D D . This follow's normally and distance of centroid of equilateral triangle C B D CBD from vertices C C , B B , D D will be= 1 3 \frac { 1 }{ \sqrt { 3 } } m m . Let this centoid be point E E (of triangle C B D CBD ). Now comes the important understanding part!!! We need to find A E AE on which centroid (of tetrahedron) will lie. The distance A C AC = 1 m 1m and C E CE = 1 3 \frac { 1 }{ \sqrt { 3 } } m m . Therefore using pythagoras theorem A E AE = A C 2 C E 2 \sqrt { { AC }^{ 2 }- { CE }^{ 2 } } \Longrightarrow A E AE = 1 1 3 \sqrt { 1 - \frac { 1 }{ 3 } } \Longrightarrow A E AE = 2 3 \sqrt{ \frac{ 2 }{3} } m m . Now as we know centroid ( F F ) (of tetrahedron) will lie on A E AE , we need to multiply A E AE by 2 3 \frac{2}{3} and will get distance of centroid of tetrahedron A C B D ACBD from all the four vertices A A , C C , B B , D D . Thus A F AF = C F CF = B F BF = D F DF = S S = 2 2 3 3 \frac {2 \sqrt { 2 } }{3 \sqrt { 3 } } . Difficult part is over and now we will find velocity of approach. Now we are given V V = 1 m / s { 1 m }/{ s } so we need to resolve this V V first along C E CE and from C E CE to C F CF . To do this we will multiply V V with cos 3 0 \cos 30^\circ to get along C E CE anfd again with cos 3 0 \cos 30^\circ to get V V along C F CF . Thus velocity of approach v v = 3 4 \frac {3}{4} m / s { m }/{ s } . Using formula S = V × T S = V \times T \Longrightarrow 2 2 3 3 \frac {2 \sqrt { 2 } }{3 \sqrt { 3 } } = 3 4 × T \frac {3}{4} \times T \Longrightarrow T T = 8 2 9 3 \frac {8 \sqrt { 2 } }{9 \sqrt { 3 } } . Therefore T = 0.725 s T= 0.725s

Lakshay Sethi - 6 years, 9 months ago

@Beakal Tiliksew How do you get the velocity of the object in the centroidal direction?I am confused

Mardokay Mosazghi - 7 years ago

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i was just splitting the velocity it to separate components. IT is just like a projectile motion, you split
the velocity into horizontal and vertical velocity, to find flight time , and what not. In this case a 3-d model, i split the velocity, one in the centroid direction, and other two perpendicular direction. If it is not clear i could make an image to clear things up.

Beakal Tiliksew - 7 years ago

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Yeah I understand how you separate it in to 2 components to find the velocity, but can you provide an image for further understanding.

Mardokay Mosazghi - 7 years ago
Christian Howard
Jul 23, 2014

If you want to be somewhat lazy, you are able to also parametrize the problem by first stating the position of the current ant as:

r c ( t ) = x c ( t ) e x + y c ( t ) e y + z c ( t ) e z r_{c}(t) = x_{c}(t) e_{x} + y_{c}(t) e_{y} + z_{c}(t) e_{z}

The velocity, by taking the derivative, is

v c ( t ) = x ˙ c ( t ) e x + y ˙ c ( t ) e y + z ˙ c ( t ) e z v_{c}(t) = \dot x_{c}(t) e_{x} + \dot y_{c}(t) e_{y} + \dot z_{c}(t) e_{z}

We know that the velocity is given as the following based on the problem statement v ( t ) = ( 1 ) e n c ( t ) v(t) = (1) e_{nc}(t)

where e n c e_{nc} represents the time dependent direction from the current ant to the neighbor ant it is walking towards.

We can then find e n c e_{nc} to be the following

e n c ( t ) = ( x n ( t ) x c ( t ) ) e x + ( y n ( t ) y c ( t ) ) e y + ( z n ( t ) z c ( t ) ) e z r n ( t ) r c ( t ) e_{nc}(t) = \frac{ (x_{n}(t) - x_{c}(t) ) e_{x} + (y_{n}(t) -y_{c}(t) ) e_{y} + (z_{n}(t) - z_{c}(t) ) e_{z} }{|| r_{n}(t) - r_{c}(t) ||}

By setting the two velocity representations equal to each other, we end up with a set of differential equations for each pair of ants, the set being:

x ˙ c ( t ) = x n ( t ) x c ( t ) r n ( t ) r c ( t ) \dot x_{c}(t) = \frac{x_{n}(t) - x_{c}(t)}{|| r_{n}(t) - r_{c}(t) ||} y ˙ c ( t ) = y n ( t ) y c ( t ) r n ( t ) r c ( t ) \dot y_{c}(t) = \frac{y_{n}(t) - y_{c}(t)}{|| r_{n}(t) - r_{c}(t) ||} z ˙ c ( t ) = z n ( t ) z c ( t ) r n ( t ) r c ( t ) \dot z_{c}(t) = \frac{z_{n}(t) - z_{c}(t)}{|| r_{n}(t) - r_{c}(t) ||}

Compiling the 4 sets of 3 differential equations provides us with 12 coupled differential equations that can easily be solved numerically (as I did since I felt lazy). You then just create some relative initial conditions for the position based on the fact we know they start in a regular tetrahedron. Lastly, write a simulation to solve the differential equations and just check for the time when the 4 distances fall below a small threshold to arrive at the time they converge.

Cheers.

what was your result?

Jonathan Ratnasabapathy - 6 years, 6 months ago

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The answer was 0.75 seconds.

Christian Howard - 6 years, 5 months ago

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