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Algebra Level 4

The sum of all real solutions of the equation ( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 3 2 x x 2 = 0 \sqrt{(x+1)(x-1)^3}-2x\sqrt{x-2} =0 can be expressed as a + b + c \sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c} , where a , b , a,b, and c c are positive integers. What is the value of a + b + c a+b+c ?

This problem is posed by Aram T .

Details and assumptions

For this question, the domain of the square root function is non-negative numbers.


The answer is 14.

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4 solutions

Anqi Li
Oct 4, 2013

Let us rewrite ( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 2 2 x x 2 = 0 \sqrt{(x+1)(x-1)^2} - 2x\sqrt{x-2} = 0 the following way:

Step 1: ( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 2 = 2 x x 2 \sqrt{(x+1)(x-1)^2} = 2x\sqrt{x-2}

Step 2 : We square both sides to get - ( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 3 = 4 x 2 ( x 2 ) (x+1)(x-1)^3 = 4x^{2}(x-2)

Step 3: We open up the brackets to get - x 4 6 x 3 + 8 x 2 + 2 x 1 = 0 x^4-6x^3+8x^2+2x-1=0

Step 4: The idea here is to factorise the above equation. Well to do this, we can remark that 6 = 4 + 2 -6 = -4 + -2 , + 8 = 4 × 2 +8 = -4 \times -2 and (coincidentally) + 2 = ( 4 ) ( 2 ) +2 = (-4) - (-2) . Now this motivates us to write: x 4 6 x 3 + 8 x 2 + 2 x 1 = ( x 2 4 x + 1 ) ( x 2 2 x 1 ) x^4-6x^3+8x^2+2x-1= (x^2 - 4x + 1) (x^2 - 2x -1)

Step 5: Now we need to solve:

(a) x 2 4 x + 1 = 0 x^2 - 4x + 1 = 0 or

(b) x 2 2 x 1 = 0 x^2 - 2x -1 =0

A reasonable prediction would be 4 roots. However due to the details and assumption, we can in fact directly obtain from the question the important condition that x 2 x ≥ 2 . This implies that for:

(a) We need ( x 2 ) 2 = 3 (x-2)^2 = 3 We get x = 2 3 x = 2 - \sqrt{3} or 2 + 3 2 + \sqrt{3} We can reject the first root since it is less than 2.

(b) Similar analysis as the above case shows that we can reject the second root since: 1 2 < 1 < 2 1 - \sqrt{2} < 1 < 2 . So for this case we get one root namely: 1 + 2 1 + \sqrt{2} .

In conclusion the answer is : 1 + 2 + 2 + 3 = 9 + 2 + 3 1 + \sqrt{2} + 2 + \sqrt{3} = \sqrt{9} + \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} Hence _9+2+3 = 14 _

Oopsie typo: should be + 2 = ( 2 ) ( 4 ) +2 = (-2) - (-4)

Anqi Li - 7 years, 8 months ago

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Another typo in copying the original equation.

Hint: look at the powers

Sualeh Asif - 6 years, 7 months ago

Hi.. If there's someone able to explain me one little thing, i got all the first steps with the same purpose, but i wasn't able to factorize it as it is done in this solution (clearly because i never did it before in this way, and with a polynomial of degree 4). So, can you explain me step 4 generally, so i can learn to factorize that way?

Diego E. Nazario Ojeda - 7 years, 8 months ago

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Sure :) So the concept here is simple. It's just like factoring a quadratic into a product of 2 linear equations. Well, I can't really do it generally, because sometimes you have something called irreducible polynomials to deal with, which you can't factor (same as quadratics). This case we are quite lucky, whence the coincidental in my solution. So I will still explain Step 4 for the question and hopefully you can generalise yourself :)

Now, so we need x 4 6 x 3 + 8 x 2 + 2 x 1 = ( x 2 + b x + c ) ( x 2 + e x + f ) x^4 - 6x^3 + 8x^2 + 2x -1 = (x^2 + bx + c) ( x^2 + ex + f) , we only need to determine b , c , e , f b,c,e, f . Let's do that step by step:

Step 1. So we know that c × f = 1 c \times f = -1 . That tells us that one of c,d is -1 and the other is 1. WLOG, let's say c = 1 c = 1 , and f = 1 f = -1

Step 2: We are closer to our goal. The first thing we do is now to match coefficients the main technique I have been using all along. So we will expand x 2 + b x + 1 ) ( x 2 + e x 1 ) x^2 + bx + 1) ( x^2 + ex - 1) . We can get x 4 + ( b + e ) x 3 + b × 3 × x 2 + ( e b ) x 2 1 x^4 + (b+e) x^3 + b\times 3 \times x^2 + (e-b) x^2 - 1 . This means we have a system of equations:

b + e = 6 b+e = -6

b × e = 8 b \times e = 8

e b = 2 e - b = 2

Take special notice of the plus and minus sign. Now, again, one only needs to realise that 2 + 4 = 6 -2 + -4 = -6 and everything else will miraculously fit. For example 2 × 4 = 8 -2 \times -4 = 8 (You can verify the last one for yourself) So b = 4 b = -4 and e = 2 e = -2

In conclusion, we can factorise as ( x 2 4 x + 1 ) ( x 2 2 x 1 ) (x^2 - 4x + 1) (x^2 - 2x - 1)

Hopefully I answered your question :D

Anqi Li - 7 years, 8 months ago

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Thanks a lot!! I really understood perfectly :D

Diego E. Nazario Ojeda - 7 years, 8 months ago

¡Thanks! I had spent a lot of time trying to solve this exercise and now i finally undestand it.

PD: I'm not an english speaker, sorry for my grammar :P.

Santiago Santana - 7 years, 8 months ago

I am seriously amazed at seeing median time to solve this is 40 min!!!!!!! Is it that hard.....it barely took 3 -4 min....

Mohit Gupta - 5 years, 6 months ago
Geoffrey Mooney
Sep 29, 2013

Any solution of the equation ( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 3 2 x x 2 = 0 \sqrt{(x+1)(x-1)^{3}} - 2x\sqrt{x-2} = 0 must be such that x 2 x ≥ 2 .

( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 3 2 x x 2 = 0 \sqrt{(x+1)(x-1)^{3}} - 2x\sqrt{x-2} = 0

( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 3 = 2 x x 2 \sqrt{(x+1)(x-1)^{3}} = 2x\sqrt{x-2}

( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 3 = 4 x 2 ( x 2 ) (x+1)(x-1)^{3} = 4x^{2}(x-2)

( x + 1 ) ( x 3 3 x 2 + 3 x 1 ) = 4 x 2 ( x 2 ) (x+1)(x^{3}-3x^{2}+3x-1) = 4x^{2}(x-2)

x 4 2 x 3 + 2 x 1 = 4 x 3 8 x 2 x^{4}-2x^{3}+2x-1=4x^{3}-8x^{2}

x 4 6 x 3 + 8 x 2 + 2 x 1 = 0 x^{4}-6x^{3}+8x^{2}+2x-1=0

( x 2 2 x 1 ) ( x 2 4 x + 1 ) = 0 (x^{2}-2x-1)(x^{2}-4x+1)=0

x = 1 + 2 x=1+\sqrt{2} or x = 2 + 3 x=2+\sqrt{3}

Let x 1 = 1 + 2 x_{1}=1+\sqrt{2} and x 2 = 2 + 3 x_{2}=2+\sqrt{3} so that the sum of all real solutions is x 1 + x 2 = 3 + 2 + 3 = 9 + 2 + 3 x_{1}+x_{2}=3+\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}=\sqrt{9}+\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3} . Let a = 9 a=9 , b = 2 b=2 , and c = 3 c=3 so that a + b + c = 9 + 2 + 3 = 14 a+b+c=9+2+3=14 .

Moderator note:

You should clarify why the degree 4 equation only leads to 2 solutions.

You mentioned x 2 x \geq 2 at the start, and should remind the reader that the other solutions are rejected since they would yield x < 2 x < 2 .

can I use relation between roots and coefficient of polynomial equations, we get sum of all roots equal to 6? or I have to proof that its solutions don't include complex numbers solution?

Kittitath Nawarungniran - 7 years, 8 months ago

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No.With the square roots,you have to make sure what is under them is non-negative real numbers.

bobby jim - 7 years, 8 months ago

How did you come up with the factor of degree 4 equation?

Tung Nguyen Khac - 7 years, 8 months ago
Jordi Bosch
Oct 1, 2013

( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 3 = 2 x x 2 \sqrt{(x+1^) *(x-1)}^{3} = 2x \sqrt{x-2}

( x + 1 ) ( x 1 ) 3 = 4 x 3 8 x 2 (x+1)(x-1)^{3} = 4x^{3} - 8x^{2}

x 4 2 x 3 + 2 x 1 x^{4} - 2x^{3} + 2x - 1 = 4 x 3 8 x 2 4x^{3} - 8x^{2}

x 4 6 x 3 + 8 x 2 + 2 x 1 = 0 x^{4} - 6x^{3} + 8x^{2} + 2x - 1 = 0

Let q , p , r , s q,p,r,s be the roots. From Vieta's Formulas we know that in a forth degree polynomial. ( p q r s ) (-p-q-r-s) = coefficient of x 3 x^{3}

p + q + r + s = 6 p + q + r + s = 6

Finally find three diferent numbers a , b , c a,b,c with a + b + c = 6. a + b + c = 6.

They are 1 , 2 , 3 1 , 2 , 3 . So 1 + 4 + 9 \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{4} + \sqrt{9} = 6 6

So 1 + 4 + 9 = 14 1 + 4 + 9 = 14

Moderator note:

The above solution is wrong. The roots are not 1, 2, 3 as claimed. There is no reason why the roots need to be integers.

Althought this solution does not work because using Vieta's Formulas I am counting the solutions <2 here's an explanation of why it gives the same value.

x 4 6 x 3 + 8 x 2 + 2 x 1 = ( x 2 2 x 1 ) ( x 2 4 x + 1 ) x^{4} - 6x^{3} + 8x^{2} + 2x -1 = (x^{2} - 2x -1)(x^{2} -4x +1) . The solutions of these equations are p = 1 + 2 q = 1 2 r = 2 + 3 s = 2 3 p = 1 + \sqrt{2} q = 1 - \sqrt{2} r = 2 + \sqrt{3} s = 2 - \sqrt{3} . It happens that adding p p and s s )(which are both bigger than two) is the same as adding all of them. That's the reason of why I get the same value

Jordi Bosch - 7 years, 8 months ago

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Your final logic is still wrong.

The sum of p + r p+r is 3 + 2 + 3 3 + \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} , which gives the form 9 + 2 + 3 \sqrt{9} + \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} and thus the answer is 9 + 2 + 3 = 14 9 + 2 + 3 = 14 .

You just happened to be lucky and got the same numerical value.

Calvin Lin Staff - 7 years, 8 months ago

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I did the same method haha im lcuky too haha! :D

Romeo Gomez - 6 years, 2 months ago
Finn Hulse
Apr 13, 2014

I don't see why this is rated so highly. All you have to do is expand, simplify, and then you'll get a parabola. It has roots at 1 + 2 1+\sqrt{2} and 2 + 3 2+\sqrt{3} . Adding the roots gives 2 + 3 + 9 \sqrt2+\sqrt3+\sqrt9 . The desired sum is thus 2 + 3 + 9 = 14 2+3+9=\boxed{14} .

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