Are they crazy?

Addalia is a big town near Jableh at western Syria, It's located near a mountain, and people who live in Addalia say that on a sunny clear day they can see the island of Cyprus from the top of the mountain. In this problem, we're going to determine if they can really see Cyprus, and how high they need to be on the mountain to begin to see the coast of Cyprus.

Find h h , the viewing height (in m) required to see Cyprus from Addalia.

Details and assumptions :

  • Assume that the earth is completely spherical.
  • The straight line distance between Addalia and the Cyprus coastline 123.2km.
  • The Earth radius is 6400 km.
  • Addalia's mountain is 1083.5m high.
  • Note the height could be more than the height of the mountain, i.e. if h 1083.5 h\leq1083.5 m, the coast can't be seen.
  • Assume light travels in a straight line.


The answer is 1185.8.

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6 solutions

Igor Kuszczak
Nov 4, 2015

Assuming that the distance between Addalia and Cyprus is equal to the length of arc of a circle (which is a cross-section of sphere ) we can calculate the angle : ( θ 36 0 ) 2 π 6400 k m = 123.2 k m θ = 1.10294375 6 \left ( \frac{\theta }{360^\circ} \right )\cdot 2\pi\cdot 6400km = 123.2 km\Rightarrow \theta = 1.102943756^\circ R R + h = c o s θ \frac{R}{R+h}= cos\theta h = 1.853098334 R = 1185.982934 m \therefore h= 1.853098334\cdot R = 1185.982934 m

Actually, this geometric calculation is technically only true in a vacuum. Terrestrial refraction can cause bending of a light ray near the surface so that a distant object over the horizon can actually be visible. The mountain is just a little over 100 meters short, out of 123200 meters distance. Depending on temperature, humidity, and pressure, it may actually be possible to see Cyprus. From a Wikipedia article on "Atmospheric Refraction", "A simple approximation is to consider that a mountain's apparent altitude at your eye (in degrees) will exceed its true altitude by its distance in kilometers divided by 1500..." So the difference in altitude in degrees is 123.2/1500 = .0821333333, or in radians, 0.0014335. At a distance of 123.2 km, this becomes a difference of about 177 m. If the mountain were only 100 m taller, straight line geometry would make Cyprus visible. Even if the estimate is off, it would appear that it is possible for refraction to make Cyprus visible from the mountain, at least some of the time.

Tom Capizzi - 4 years, 2 months ago

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That's what I also thought given the proper atmospheric conditions. It's highly probable that the people on the top of Addalia are really viewing the coast of Cyprus, though the height is 102m geometrically short.

Félix Pérez Haoñie - 2 years, 4 months ago

The distance is straight line

Topper Forever - 4 years, 2 months ago

Does the viewing (mountain) height h include or exclude the ~2m height of the eye of the viewer?

Mark Chipman - 3 years, 3 months ago

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Since the Addalia's height is short in 102m, the viewer's height (~2m) doesn't make any difference.

Félix Pérez Haoñie - 2 years, 4 months ago
Otto Bretscher
Sep 27, 2015

I took 123.5km to be the straight line distance from Addalia to the Cyprus coast (shown yellow in your figure) and then used Pythagoras: the height we seek is 640 0 2 + 123. 2 2 6400 1185.7 m \sqrt{6400^2+123.2^2}-6400\approx{1185.7m} Interesting problem!

That's really smart. Since the earth's radius is so much bigger than the hight of the mountain, we can ignore the differences between the straight line distance between Cyprus and Addalia at sea level and at mountain level. If only I had though about that.

Loke Gustafsson - 3 years, 10 months ago
Laurent Shorts
Mar 1, 2016

For an exact answer with a bit of trigonometry, assuming the distance d = 12 3 200 d=123'200\, m is along a straight line (going under water) from Addalia (0 meter above sea level) to Cyprus:

cos ( θ ) = R R + h h = R ( 1 cos ( θ ) 1 ) \cos(\theta)=\frac{R}{R+h} \Rightarrow h=R·(\frac{1}{\cos(\theta)}-1) .

sin ( θ 2 ) = d 2 R = d 2 R \sin(\frac{\theta}{2})=\frac{\frac{d}{2}}{R}=\frac{d}{2R} .

From this, we have cos ( θ ) = cos ( 2 θ 2 ) = cos 2 ( θ 2 ) sin 2 ( θ 2 ) = 1 2 sin 2 ( θ 2 ) = 1 2 ( d 2 R ) 2 \cos(\theta)=\cos(2·\frac{\theta}{2})=\cos^2(\frac{\theta}{2})-\sin^2(\frac{\theta}{2})=1-2\sin^2(\frac{\theta}{2})=1-2(\frac{d}{2R})^2 Then, 1 cos ( θ ) = 1 1 2 ( d 2 R ) 2 = 2 R 2 2 R 2 d 2 \frac{1}{\cos(\theta)}=\frac{1}{1-2(\frac{d}{2R})^2}=\frac{2R^2}{2R^2-d^2} .

Finally, h = R ( 1 cos ( θ ) 1 ) = R ( 2 R 2 2 R 2 d 2 1 ) = R d 2 2 R 2 d 2 = 1 186.02 h=R·(\frac{1}{\cos(\theta)}-1)=R·(\frac{2R^2}{2R^2-d^2}-1)=\frac{R·d^2}{2R^2-d^2}=1'186.02\, m.

Laszlo Kocsis
Mar 23, 2017

Just a side note (is it possible to comment the problems itself on this site?): The question should have been "...required to see the Cyprus coastline from Addalia." Now, as the question was to determine the height needed to be able to see Cyprus, I'm a bit confused if I should look up the height and position of Mount Olympus, let alone - to be hatefully punctilious - the whole survey data of Cyprus. ;) And we haven't even thought about the refraction of light in the atmosphere!

Abira Rather
Nov 8, 2015

h=(d^2)/2R simply by putting values we get h ...its a simple survey problem :)

that's exactly how I was taught to do it

Steven Linnell - 4 years, 3 months ago
Jafar Badour
Sep 27, 2015

The central angle β = D R E β=\frac{D}{ R_E } , it's known that the circumferential angle in a circle is half of the central angle which limits the same arc, so A = 1 2 β A = D 2 R E A=\frac{1}{2} β→A=\frac{D}{ 2 R_E } , we want the height the observer should be at so that he can see Cyprus, it is D tan A D \tan A , since A A is a small angle we may consider its tangent the same as it,so h = A D = D 2 2 R E = 123. 2 2 2 6400 = 1185.8 h=AD=\frac{D^2}{2R_E }=\frac{123.2^2}{2*6400}=1185.8

The problem asks how high they have to be "on the mountain".. So if they have to be 1185 m above sea level, and mountain is 1083m high, then they have to be 102m high "on the mountain".

David Grossman - 4 years, 4 months ago

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Excuse me, I'm not English native speaker but, wouldn't that hight (102m) be "above" the mountain (instead of "on" the mountain)?

Félix Pérez Haoñie - 2 years, 4 months ago

The problem asks whether they can see Cyprus, but instead solves for whether they can see the coast of Cyprus (although that seems to be actually about 150km away, not 123.2km). But if anything is visible on Cyprus it will be mountaintops. There is a mountain road on Cyprus above 700m about 206km from Addalia. The sea level horizon from 700m in Cyprus is 94.6km away. The sea level horizon from 1083.5m at Addalia is 117.7km away. So these peaks should be mutually visible (206 < 94.6 + 117.7) in the right weather. Find "Addalia" as "Ad-Ali, Syria" on Google Maps.

Jonathan Gere - 4 years, 3 months ago

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Maybe they are mutually visible, but you have to do the right calculations. If I understand you right, I think your way of reasoning in this case is wrong.

Félix Pérez Haoñie - 2 years, 4 months ago

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