Balancing a rod

Measuring sticks of various lengths are hinged at the edge of a table, with a fingertip supporting the stick somewhere along the stick's length.

When is the force applied by the fingertip the greatest ?

Details and Assumptions :

  • All measuring sticks are made of the same material and have the same width and thickness.
  • All measuring sticks are divided into 25 cm 25 \text{ cm} segments.
A B C D E

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10 solutions

Ram Mohith
Sep 2, 2018

Moment of force : M = F × d F = M d M = F \times d \implies F = \dfrac{M}{d} where, F is the force applied and d is the distance from origin. As all measuring scales are identical they have same moment of force when they are of same length.


From second relation we can come to a conclusion that force applied is inversely proportional to distance from the origin that means lesser the distance from origin more is the force applied. For our convenience let us extend all the scales to 75 cm. The following are the positions of fingertip measured from the table : A : 100 c m B : 75 c m C : 50 c m D : 75 c m E : 25 c m \begin{array}{c}~A : 100~cm \\ B : 75~cm \\ C : 50~cm \\ D : 75~cm \\ E : 25~cm \\ \end{array} As you can see the least distance is measured in case of E so the greatest force must be applied in case of E and least in case of A.

Ram -- It doesn't appear that you are considering all things involved here; factors additional to distance from the origin are involved. The distance from the finger to the origin is the same in B & C as they are in E -- but there is an additional length of measuring stick involved. A major factor is the center of mass of the stick. This is a classic problem involving the different classes of levers (simple machines).

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 9 months ago

The point is figure out what direction and size of force to stick applied by the table? let me see three kind of force applied by table. For A,D, force direction is uppward, which applied by table to left side end of stick. The B show size of the force is zero, for C,E show the force is downward, which applied by table to left side end of stick, conclude by Newton's first law, since the sticks at rest, here must be a force pushing upwards from the fingertip to cancel out mg of sticks and force applied by table. the E is answer, which force applied by fingertips is 8/3 times of the sticks's weight

Shouldn't M D M_D be 2m and not 3 2 × m \frac{3}{2}\times m ? Not that it changes the final result, but i like seeing all the details be correct. ;-)

C . - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Friend, You are right:-) likewise ,I like your coment that make solution perfect, thank you! Owe to good luck,MD is differ greatly with ME,it doest not change result:-)

丁大喵 by丁丁猫 - 2 years, 9 months ago

Consider balancing the moment of the five cases we have:

F l f = m g l c . . . ( 1 ) Fl_f = mgl_c \quad ...(1)

where

  • F F --- the force applied by the fingertip
  • l f l_f --- the distance between the fingertip and the hinge at the edge of the table
  • m m --- the mass of the stick
  • g g --- acceleration due to gravity
  • l c l_c --- the distance between the center of mass of the stick and the hinge at the edge of the table

Let the length of the stick be i i and the mass per length of the stick be σ \sigma . Then l c = l 2 l_c = \dfrac l2 and m = σ l m = \sigma l and equation (1) becomes:

F l f = σ l g l 2 F = σ g l 2 2 l f Fl_f = \sigma l g \cdot \frac l2 \implies F = \sigma g \cdot \frac {l^2}{2l_f}

Since case E has the largest l = 100 l =100 and the smallest l f = 25 l_f = 25 , F E = 200 σ g F_E = 200\sigma g is the greatest .

Chew-Seong -- In the sentence that begins with 'Let the length of the stick...' you have that variable stated as i. However, you then use lower case L as the length in your equation. Is that intentional ? You did not identify lower case L as a variable and you didn't use i in your equations. Please excuse the script here; I haven't learned to use LaTeX yet.

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Sorry, it was a typo. All should be l l .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Okay, thanks.

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 9 months ago
Clemens Frahnow
Sep 6, 2018

Without any formula it is obvious that F A < F B < F C < F E F_A<F_B<F_C<F_E . Also obvious is F D < F E F_D<F_E which leads to E as solution.

Srinivasa Gopal
Sep 3, 2018

Let m be the mass of each identical stick. If a stick is balanced by a force f then as per the law of moments f* distance of the force from the hinge = weight of the stick * distance of center of mass to the hinge. The five cases presented above in the diagram translate to the equations below

CASE A

fx50 = 2m x 25

f = m

CASE B

f*25 = 2m * 25

f= 2m

CASE C

f*25 = 3m * 75/2

f = 4.5m

CASE D

f*75 = 4m * 50

f = 2.67m

CASE E

fx25 =4m * 50

f = 8m

We can see that the highest force has to be applied in case E and the lowest in case A.

Sir, why are you not using latex codes anywhere neither in your questions nor in your solutions.

Ram Mohith - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Okay, I will use Latex

Srinivasa Gopal - 2 years, 9 months ago

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improve more - 2 years, 9 months ago

The force must make a torque equal to the done by the stick itself. So we look for the stick which makes the largest torque and choose the finger which is closest to the stick's support, which is E E .

B D
Sep 3, 2018

To apply the greatest force the stick needs to be long and apply the force closer to the table.

Straight to the point awesome!!

Juan Guzman - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Thank you!

B D - 2 years, 9 months ago

Figure E has a long stick with a force applied near the fulcrum/axle. More the force is applied near to the fulcrum, more force it needs to hold the stick.

Spriha Basir
Sep 7, 2018

As E is the longest of all the sticks......

Android 17
Sep 6, 2018

balance the torques acting by forces about the hinge . for first torque about point on table is zero so

f 0.50 = mg 0.25

f=mg/2...

for second similarly

f 0.25=mg 0.25

f=mg

for third

f 0.25=(mg 0.75)/2

f=(mg*3)/2

.....and so on.

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