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Geometry Level 3

What is the area of a triangle with altitudes of length 3, 4, and 5?

If your answer can be expressed as a b b \frac{a\sqrt{b}}{b} where a a and b b are positive integers and b b is squarefree, find a + b a+b .


The answer is 132239.

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At the risk of being redundant, I just thought it would help to generate a general formula for the area of a triangle given its altitudes.

In general, let the side lengths of a triangle be a , b , c a,b,c and the respective altitudes from these sides be h a , h b , h c . h_{a}, h_{b}, h_{c}. Then with A A being the area of the triangle, we have that

2 A = a h a = b h b = c h c a = 2 A h a , b = 2 A h b , c = 2 A h c . 2A = ah_{a} = bh_{b} = ch_{c} \Longrightarrow a = \dfrac{2A}{h_{a}}, b = \dfrac{2A}{h_{b}}, c = \dfrac{2A}{h_{c}}.

Now using Heron's formula A = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) A = \sqrt{s(s - a)(s - b)(s - c)} where s = a + b + c 2 s = \dfrac{a + b + c}{2} , we can substitute in our expressions for a , b , c a,b,c and simplify to get the area of the triangle, (in inverse form), exclusively in terms of the altitudes, i.e.,

1 A = ( 1 h a + 1 h b + 1 h c ) ( 1 h a + 1 h b 1 h c ) ( 1 h a + 1 h c 1 h b ) ( 1 h b + 1 h c 1 h a ) . \dfrac{1}{A} = \sqrt{\left(\dfrac{1}{h_{a}} + \dfrac{1}{h_{b}} + \dfrac{1}{h_{c}}\right)\left(\dfrac{1}{h_{a}} + \dfrac{1}{h_{b}} - \dfrac{1}{h_{c}}\right)\left(\dfrac{1}{h_{a}} + \dfrac{1}{h_{c}} - \dfrac{1}{h_{b}}\right)\left(\dfrac{1}{h_{b}} + \dfrac{1}{h_{c}} - \dfrac{1}{h_{a}}\right)}.

Plugging in h a = 3 , h b = 4 , h c = 5 h_{a} = 3, h_{b} = 4, h_{c} = 5 , we find that

1 A = 47 23 17 7 6 0 2 A = 3600 128639 128639 , \dfrac{1}{A} = \dfrac{\sqrt{47*23*17*7}}{60^{2}} \Longrightarrow A = \dfrac{3600\sqrt{128639}}{128639},

and so a + b = 3600 + 128639 = 132239 . a + b = 3600 + 128639 = \boxed{132239}.

Moderator note:

Yes, you applied a formula resembling Heron's formula . Great job on the generalization!

So, more explicitly, A = ( h a h b h c ) 2 ( h a h b + h b h c + h c h a ) ( h a h b + h b h c + h c h a ) ( h a h b h b h c + h c h a ) ( h a h b + h b h c h c h a ) . A = \frac{(h_ah_bh_c)^2}{\sqrt{(h_ah_b+h_bh_c+h_ch_a)(-h_ah_b+h_bh_c+h_ch_a)(h_ah_b-h_bh_c+h_ch_a)(h_ah_b+h_bh_c-h_ch_a)}}.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 5 years, 8 months ago

oopes , I just mistype , and Calculate

60 instead of 60^2

Nishu sharma - 6 years, 1 month ago

dat was tedious

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 5 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Apr 20, 2015

Let the triangle be A B C \triangle ABC with respective side lengths a a , b b and c c . The altitude from A A , B B and C C be 3 3 , 4 4 and 5 5 respectively. Then the area of A B C \triangle ABC is given by:

A = 1 2 ( 3 a ) = 1 2 ( 4 b ) = 1 2 ( 5 c ) b = 3 4 a c = 3 5 a A_\triangle = \frac{1}{2}(3a) = \frac{1}{2}(4b) = \frac{1}{2}(5c) \quad \Rightarrow b = \frac{3}{4}a \quad \Rightarrow c = \frac{3}{5}a

From Heron's formula, we have, A = s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) A_\triangle = \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)} , where s = 1 2 ( a + b + c ) = 1 2 ( 1 + 3 4 + 3 5 ) a = 47 40 a s=\frac{1}{2}(a+b+c) = \frac{1}{2} (1+\frac{3}{4}+\frac{3}{5})a = \frac{47}{40}a .

s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) = 3 a 2 47 40 × 7 40 × 17 40 × 23 40 a 2 = 3 a 2 128639 a = 2400 a = 2400 128639 \Rightarrow \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)} = \dfrac {3a}{2} \quad \Rightarrow \sqrt{\frac{47}{40}\times \frac{7}{40}\times \frac{17}{40}\times \frac{23}{40}}a^2 = \dfrac{3a}{2} \\ \Rightarrow \sqrt{128639} a = 2400 \quad \Rightarrow a = \dfrac {2400}{\sqrt{128639}}

A = 3 a 2 = 3 × 2400 2 128639 = 3600 128639 128639 A_\triangle = \dfrac {3a}{2} = \dfrac {3\times 2400}{2\sqrt{128639}} = \dfrac {3600\sqrt{128639}}{128639}

a + b = 3600 + 128639 = 132239 \Rightarrow a+b = 3600+128639 = \boxed{132239}

Peter Macgregor
Apr 23, 2015

Let the area of the triangle be A A . The sides of the triangle are then 2 A 3 \frac{2A}{3} , 2 A 4 \frac{2A}{4} and 2 A 5 \frac{2A}{5}

Using the cosine rule, and cancelling the common factor ( 2 A ) 2 (2A)^2 , the smallest angle (which will be opposite the smallest side) satisfies

c o s ( θ ) = 1 9 + 1 16 1 25 2 × 1 3 × 1 4 = 481 600 cos(\theta)=\dfrac{\frac{1}{9}+\frac{1}{16}-\frac{1}{25}}{2\times\frac{1}{3}\times \frac{1}{4}}=\frac{481}{600}

From this it follows that

s i n ( θ ) = 128639 600 sin(\theta)=\dfrac{\sqrt{128639}}{600}

Now writing down the area of the triangle in terms of two sides and the included angle gives

A = 1 2 × 2 A 3 × 2 A 4 × 128639 600 A=\frac{1}{2}\times \frac{2A}{3}\times \frac{2A}{4}\times \dfrac{\sqrt{128639}}{600}

Solving this for A A gives

A = 3600 128639 = 3600 128639 128639 A=\dfrac{3600}{\sqrt{128639}}=\dfrac{3600\sqrt{128639}}{128639}

and the result follows.

I wrestled with this for a whole day, and the woke up with the idea that the sides of the triangle must be in the ratio 1 3 : 1 4 : 1 5 \frac{1}{3}:\frac{1}{4}:\frac{1}{5} , so that they give the same result (twice the area) when multiplied by the corresponding perpendicular sides.

The solution then almost wrote itself.

Thanks for the solution! :D

Glad one of my problems was challenging to people out in the world. :D

Finn Hulse - 6 years, 1 month ago

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