Sitting down at the end of an empty ale-bench is usually a bad idea because the bank could overturn immediately. In the figure below, what is the weight needed on point B just enough to compensate a body weight of 7 5 kg on point A ?
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I get the same result. So I don't know why not choose 10kg as right answer
So 2.5 kg is just NOT enough, it cannot be the correct answer.
disclaimer: in the original problem the weight of the panel was 11 kg. With the 12 kg panel, 2.5 kg is enough.
Can I know what topic is this?
I got this, which is simplified by dividing by 2.5 so get that the weight NEEDED is 165/67 = 2.46. So the balancing weight had to be MORE than that, (or equal to it, though that would be precarious!). QUESTION : Why was the weight of the 'leg' of the bench not taken into account - I suppose it were just a question about torque (I would just say the couple - that would be OK wouldn't it?) Regards, David
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The assumption is that the legs remain on the floor; i.e. the table top is loose and not connected to the legs.
(And yes, couple = torque. Depends on whether you're an engineer or a physicist :) )
16% from bench's weight works counterclockwise
Relevant wiki: Torque - Dynamical Behavior
We consider the torques with respect to the left foot of the bench as the pivot point. The bench's own weight m also provides a contribution. In fact, the wooden panel can be split into two partial masses m 1 m 2 = l d m = 1 . 9 0 9 kg = d l − d m = 1 0 . 0 9 1 kg which are respectively located on the right and left of the center of rotation ( d = 3 5 cm is the overhang). These are represented as point masses, which are located at their respective centers of gravity at x 1 x 2 = − 2 d = − 0 . 1 7 5 m = 2 l − d = 0 . 9 2 5 m . In addition, the weight M of the person and the compensation mass M ′ are located at x 1 and x 3 = l − 1 . 5 ⋅ d = 1 . 6 7 5 m , respectively. To ensure that the bank does not turn clockwise and tip over, the entire torque must be negative: i ∑ T i ⇒ M ′ = ( m 1 + M ) g x 1 + m 2 g x 2 + M ′ g x 3 < 0 > − x 3 ( m 1 + M ) x 1 + m 2 x 2 = 2 . 4 6 kg Therefore, the filled beer mug is just enough to stabilize the bench.
Note that there is no need to split the table in two sections, one for clockwise and the other for counterclockwise torque. To see this, let a plank of length ℓ be pivoted at distance d from the left. The weights and force arms for the two pieces will be given by W 1 = m g ℓ d , r 1 = − 2 d , W 2 = m g ℓ ℓ − d , r 2 = 2 ℓ − d . The total torque is τ = W 1 r 1 + W 2 r 2 = 2 ℓ m g ( − d 2 + ( ℓ − d ) 2 ) = 2 ℓ m g ( ℓ 2 − 2 ℓ d ) = m g ( 2 ℓ − d ) . But m g is precisely the weight of the entire plank, and ℓ / 2 − d is precisely the distance to its center of mass.
16% from bench's weight works counterclockwise
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Relevant wiki: Torque - Dynamical Behavior
Solution edited to reflect the corrected problem.
Consider the torques about the joint on the left (the tipping point).
Clockwise torque due to the table top (concentrating the mass of the table in its COM): 1 2 ⋅ 7 5 = 9 0 0 k g f c m ; Counterclockwise torque due to the person in point A: 7 5 ⋅ 1 7 . 5 = 1 3 1 2 . 5 k g f c m . This results in a net torque of 1 3 1 2 . 5 − 9 0 0 = 4 1 2 . 5 k g f c m counterclockwise; we balance this with equal clockwise torque. The arm of the weight on the opposite side is 1 5 0 + 1 7 . 5 = 1 6 7 . 5 c m , so that we need a weight of 1 6 7 . 5 4 1 2 . 5 = 2 . 4 6 k g f . This is closed to the filled beer mug option of 2.5 kg.
Alternative solution : find the center of mass of the entire system.
I choose coordinates with x = 0 at the center of the plank. The plank's center of mass is at x = 0 ; the person's, at x = − 9 2 . 5 cm; and the unknown object's, at x = + 9 2 . 5 cm.
The center of mass of the entire system is the average of centers of mass, x C M = 1 2 + 7 5 + m 1 2 ⋅ 0 + 7 5 ⋅ − 9 2 . 5 + m ⋅ 9 2 . 5 = m + 8 7 9 2 . 5 m − 6 9 3 7 . 5 . The system will not tip as long as its CM lies between the two supports, i.e. ∣ x C M ∣ < 7 5 . Thus − 7 5 < m + 8 7 9 2 . 5 m − 6 9 3 7 . 5 < 7 5 ; − 7 5 m − 6 5 2 5 < 9 2 . 5 m − 6 9 3 7 . 5 < 7 5 m + 6 5 2 5 ; 4 1 2 . 5 − 1 6 7 . 5 m < 0 < 1 3 4 6 2 . 5 − 1 7 . 5 m ; 2 . 4 6 < m < 7 6 9 . 2 . Less than a full beer mug will make the table tip to the left; more than an baby elephant will make it tip to the right; anything in between balances it nicely.