Bierbank

Sitting down at the end of an empty ale-bench is usually a bad idea because the bank could overturn immediately. In the figure below, what is the weight needed on point B B just enough to compensate a body weight of 75 kg 75\text{ kg} on point A ? A?

Details and Assumptions:

  • The mass of the wooden panel is m = 12 kg . m = 12 \,\text{kg}.
  • The length of the bench is l = 2.2 m l = 2.2 \, \text{m} and its overhang is 35 cm 35\,\text{cm} on each side.
Gingerbread (0.5 kg) Empty beer mug (1.5 kg) Filled beer mug (2.5 kg) Empty beer barrel (10 kg) Filled beer barrel (30 kg)

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2 solutions

Arjen Vreugdenhil
Sep 17, 2017

Relevant wiki: Torque - Dynamical Behavior

Solution edited to reflect the corrected problem.

Consider the torques about the joint on the left (the tipping point).

Clockwise torque due to the table top (concentrating the mass of the table in its COM): 12 75 = 900 kgf cm ; 12\cdot 75 = \SI{900}{kgf.cm}; Counterclockwise torque due to the person in point A: 75 17.5 = 1 312.5 kgf cm . 75 \cdot 17.5 = \SI{1312.5}{kgf.cm}. This results in a net torque of 1312.5 900 = 412.5 kgf cm 1312.5 - 900 = \SI{412.5}{kgf.cm} counterclockwise; we balance this with equal clockwise torque. The arm of the weight on the opposite side is 150 + 17.5 = 167.5 cm 150 + 17.5 = \SI{167.5}{cm} , so that we need a weight of 412.5 167.5 = 2.46 kgf . \frac{412.5}{167.5} = \boxed{\SI{2.46}{kgf}}. This is closed to the filled beer mug \boxed{\text{filled beer mug}} option of 2.5 kg.


Alternative solution : find the center of mass of the entire system.

I choose coordinates with x = 0 x = 0 at the center of the plank. The plank's center of mass is at x = 0 x = 0 ; the person's, at x = 92.5 x = -92.5 cm; and the unknown object's, at x = + 92.5 x = +92.5 cm.

The center of mass of the entire system is the average of centers of mass, x C M = 12 0 + 75 92.5 + m 92.5 12 + 75 + m = 92.5 m 6937.5 m + 87 . x_{CM} = \frac{12\cdot 0 + 75\cdot -92.5 + m\cdot 92.5}{12 + 75 + m} = \frac{92.5 m - 6937.5}{m + 87}. The system will not tip as long as its CM lies between the two supports, i.e. x C M < 75 |x_{CM}| < 75 . Thus 75 < 92.5 m 6937.5 m + 87 < 75 ; -75 < \frac{92.5 m - 6937.5}{m + 87} < 75; 75 m 6525 < 92.5 m 6937.5 < 75 m + 6525 ; -75 m - 6525 < 92.5 m - 6937.5 < 75 m + 6525; 412.5 167.5 m < 0 < 13462.5 17.5 m ; 412.5 - 167.5 m < 0 < 13462.5 - 17.5 m; 2.46 < m < 769.2. 2.46 < m < 769.2. Less than a full beer mug will make the table tip to the left; more than an baby elephant will make it tip to the right; anything in between balances it nicely.

I get the same result. So I don't know why not choose 10kg as right answer

萦明 Yingming 王 - 3 years, 8 months ago

So 2.5 kg is just NOT enough, it cannot be the correct answer.

disclaimer: in the original problem the weight of the panel was 11 kg. With the 12 kg panel, 2.5 kg is enough.

Laszlo Kocsis - 3 years, 8 months ago

Can I know what topic is this?

Junhang Ooi - 3 years, 8 months ago

I got this, which is simplified by dividing by 2.5 so get that the weight NEEDED is 165/67 = 2.46. So the balancing weight had to be MORE than that, (or equal to it, though that would be precarious!). QUESTION : Why was the weight of the 'leg' of the bench not taken into account - I suppose it were just a question about torque (I would just say the couple - that would be OK wouldn't it?) Regards, David

David Fairer - 3 years, 8 months ago

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The assumption is that the legs remain on the floor; i.e. the table top is loose and not connected to the legs.

(And yes, couple = torque. Depends on whether you're an engineer or a physicist :) )

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 8 months ago

16% from bench's weight works counterclockwise

Явор Милинов - 3 years, 8 months ago
Markus Michelmann
Sep 12, 2017

Relevant wiki: Torque - Dynamical Behavior

We consider the torques with respect to the left foot of the bench as the pivot point. The bench's own weight m m also provides a contribution. In fact, the wooden panel can be split into two partial masses m 1 = d l m = 1.909 kg m 2 = l d d m = 10.091 kg \begin{aligned} m_1 &= \frac{d}{l} m = 1.909 \, \text{kg}\\ m_2 &= \frac{l-d}{d} m = 10.091 \, \text{kg}\end{aligned} which are respectively located on the right and left of the center of rotation ( d = 35 cm d = 35 \,\text{cm} is the overhang). These are represented as point masses, which are located at their respective centers of gravity at x 1 = d 2 = 0.175 m x 2 = l d 2 = 0.925 m . \begin{aligned} x_1 &= - \frac{d}{2} = -0.175\,\text{m} \\ x_2 &= \frac{l-d}{2} = 0.925 \,\text{m}. \end{aligned} In addition, the weight M M of the person and the compensation mass M M' are located at x 1 x_1 and x 3 = l 1.5 d = 1.675 m x_3 = l - 1.5 \cdot d = 1.675 \, \text{m} , respectively. To ensure that the bank does not turn clockwise and tip over, the entire torque must be negative: i T i = ( m 1 + M ) g x 1 + m 2 g x 2 + M g x 3 < 0 M > ( m 1 + M ) x 1 + m 2 x 2 x 3 = 2.46 kg \begin{aligned} \sum_{i} T_i &= (m_1 + M) g x_1 + m_2 g x_2 + M' g x_3 < 0 \\ \Rightarrow \quad M' &> -\frac{(m_1 + M) x_1 + m_2 x_2}{x_3} = 2.46 \, \text{kg} \end{aligned} Therefore, the filled beer mug is just enough to stabilize the bench.

Note that there is no need to split the table in two sections, one for clockwise and the other for counterclockwise torque. To see this, let a plank of length \ell be pivoted at distance d d from the left. The weights and force arms for the two pieces will be given by W 1 = m g d , r 1 = d 2 , W 2 = m g d , r 2 = d 2 . W_1 = mg\frac d \ell,\ \ \ r_1 = -\frac d 2,\ \ \ W_2 = mg\frac{\ell - d}\ell,\ \ \ r_2 = \frac{\ell - d}2. The total torque is τ = W 1 r 1 + W 2 r 2 = m g 2 ( d 2 + ( d ) 2 ) = m g 2 ( 2 2 d ) = m g ( 2 d ) . \tau = W_1r_1 + W_2r_2 = \frac{mg}{2\ell}\left(-d^2 + (\ell -d)^2 \right) = \frac{mg}{2\ell} (\ell^2 - 2\ell d) = mg\left(\frac\ell 2 - d\right). But m g mg is precisely the weight of the entire plank, and / 2 d \ell/2 - d is precisely the distance to its center of mass.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 3 years, 8 months ago

16% from bench's weight works counterclockwise

Явор Милинов - 3 years, 8 months ago

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