Laurie is standing on the edge of a cliff at a height of h above Orlando. Laurie runs horizontally away from Orlando at constant speed just as he throws a ball towards her. The ball reaches a height of 2 h , and then Laurie catches the ball as it falls.
What is the ratio of Laurie's speed to the ball's horizontal speed?
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That's what I did too!
That's why we learn Math! Elegant and Clean Solution, same as mine.
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The y-coordinate should be -2 in your picture. Love this explanation!
Wow. I am astonished.
I myself solved by setting up the motion equations and finding the times of colisions. Whereas your solution is straight up genius
What an out-of-the-box solution! I was kind of amazed just how you can explain this with just a picture and a sentence. Well done!!
The ball follows a path of a parabola that opens downward, which has a general form of y = − a x 2 + b x + c . If we let the maximum height of the ball be the origin, then b = 0 and c = 0 and the general form simplifies to y = − a x 2 .
Laurie runs on a y -value of − h , which intersects the parabola when − h = − a x 2 , or x = ± k for k = a h . The distance she runs is therefore d L = 2 k , at a speed of s L = t 2 k over time t .
Orlando is standing on a y -value of − 2 h , which intersects the parabola when − 2 h = − a x 2 , or x = ± k 2 for k = a h . The horizontal distance of the ball is therefore d b = k + k 2 , at a speed of s b = t k + k 2 over time t .
The ratio of Laurie's speed to the ball's horizontal speed is s b s L = t k + k 2 t 2 k = 1 + 2 2 = 2 2 − 2 ≈ 0 . 8 2 8 4 .
0.8284, not 0.8285. That's a rounding error.
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Thanks, I edited it. I suppose the solution should be updated, too.
If a ratio is of the form a:b, but it won't let me enter 1:0.8284 or any other ratio. Just a decimal number.
funny, coz i did it exactly (i mean really exactly, step by step the very same way) as you described it:))) i know, it is a very simple kinematics.. the school basics of it, but i also see other people try to do it some OTHER ways (and by this fact i'm truly amazed)... i really wonder why they do so!?:)))))
Could you explain the first step? I don't get why there is another 2 inside the sqrt sign
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mgH = (mv^2)/2 - this is how you write the preservation of energy law, isn't it?... and in this particular puzzle H = 2h, according to the drawing. so one of those "2" is due to the kinetic energy and another one is due to the maximal altitude is equal to 2h according to the drawing
The ball travels in a parabolic path. The distance from the turning point to Laurie is h , and the distance to Orlando is 2 h . Therefore the ball travels ( 1 + 2 ) h and Laurie travels 2 h . The ratio of Laurie's speed to the ball's speed is the ratio of the distances = 1 + 2 2 ≈ 0 . 8 2 8 4 .
First, we can see that the time that the ball spent to cover the second and the third part of the curve (over the cliff) is the same t . Now, we can say that the speed at the end of the trajectory is the same as at the symmetrical point. V = 0 + g t = g t . The time that the ball spent to climb the cliff is t 2 which could be obtained from:
h = 0 ∗ t + 2 g t 2
h = V t 2 + 2 g t 2 2 = g t t 2 + 2 g t 2 2
From that two equations we can find that
2 g t 2 = g t t 2 + 2 g t 2 2 − > t 2 = ( 2 − 1 ) t
Therefore, the ball spent 2 t to cover the distance s that Laurie covers by 2 t + t 2 = ( 1 + ( 2 ) ) t . Hence, we can find the relation
s = v b a l l ∗ 2 t
s = v L a u r i e ∗ ( 2 + 1 ) t
Finally, we divide the second one by first:
1 = v b a l l ∗ 2 t v L a u r i e ∗ ( 2 + 1 ) t = v b a l l ∗ 2 v L a u r i e ∗ ( 2 + 1 )
v b a l l v L a u r i e = 2 + 1 2
It is equal to ratio of (t1-t2)/t1, where t1 and t2 are two times to reach half the height. The equation to be solved for t1 and t2 is the quadratic equation for achieving half height (h/2) when the ball is thrown upward under gravity.
(1/2)g(t^2) - √(2gh)(t) + (h/2)=0
{(t1-t2)/t1} = {2/(1+√2)} = 0.8284
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since all parabolas are similar, the exact number isnt relevant, just the ratio. consider y = − x 2 , the problem is reduce to the ratio a : b , which is 1 + 2 2 .
edit: thanks to Meredith Hughes for pointing out the y-coordinate should be -2