Is There A Cubic Discriminant?

Algebra Level 3

If the equation 2 x 3 3 x 2 + p = 0 2x^3-3x^2+p=0 has 3 not necessarily distinct real roots, then find minimum value of p p .


The answer is 0.

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3 solutions

Chung Kevin
Mar 14, 2016

This is a direct application of cubic discriminant . Yes! There is in fact a cubic discriminant.

If the cubic equation is of the form a x 3 + b x 2 + c x + d = 0 ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d = 0 , then its discriminant is D 3 = b 2 c 2 4 a c 3 4 b 3 d 27 a 2 d 2 + 18 a b c d D_3 = b^2c^2 - 4ac^3 - 4b^3 d - 27a^2 d^2 + 18abcd . Furthermore, if the it has three not necessarily distinct real roots, then D 3 0 D_3 \geq 0 .

In this case, we have a = 2 , b = 3 , c = 0 , d = p a = 2, b = -3, c = 0, d = p . Substuting these values into D 3 D_3 gives

D 3 = ( 3 ) 2 ( 0 ) 2 4 ( 2 ) ( 0 ) 3 4 ( 3 ) 3 ( p ) 27 ( 2 ) 2 ( p ) 2 + 18 ( 2 ) ( 3 ) ( 0 ) ( p ) = ( 3 ) 2 ( 0 ) 2 4 ( 2 ) ( 0 ) 3 4 ( 3 ) 3 ( p ) 27 ( 2 ) 2 ( p ) 2 + 18 ( 2 ) ( 3 ) ( 0 ) ( p ) = 4 ( 3 ) 3 ( p ) 27 ( 2 p ) 2 = 108 p 108 p 2 \begin{aligned} D_3 &= &(-3)^2 (0)^2 - 4(2)(0)^3 - 4(-3)^3 (p) - 27(2)^2 (p)^2 + 18(2)(-3)(0)(p) \\ &=& \cancel{(-3)^2 (0)^2} -\cancel{ 4(2)(0)^3} - 4(-3)^3 (p) - 27(2)^2 (p)^2 + \cancel{18(2)(-3)(0)(p) } \\ &=& -4(-3)^3 (p) - 27(2p)^2 \\ &=& 108p - 108p^2 \end{aligned}

Since D 3 0 D_3 \geq 0 , then 108 p 108 p 2 0 108 p ( p 1 ) 0 0 p 1 108p - 108p^2 \geq 0 \Rightarrow 108p(p-1) \geq 0 \Rightarrow 0\leq p \leq 1 . Thus the minimum value of p p is 0 \boxed0 .

Yes, but tough to mug I think it comes from Ferrari's method

Dhruv Joshi - 4 years, 2 months ago
Mehul Chaturvedi
Mar 10, 2016

Rearranging the equation

p = 3 x 2 2 x 3 = g ( x ) g ( x ) = 6 x 6 x 2 g ( x ) 0 x [0,1]      Function is increasing \Rightarrow p=3x^2-2x^3=g(x) \\ \Rightarrow g^{'}(x)=6x-6x^2 \Rightarrow g^{'}(x) \geq 0 \Rightarrow x \in \text{[0,1]}~~~~~~\text{{Function is increasing}}

f ( 1 ) = 1 , f ( 0 ) = 0 \Rightarrow f(1)=1 , f(0)=0

Now graph can easily be plotted

It can easily be seen from graph that,the equation has three real roots for x [ 0 , 1 ] x \in [0,1] therefore p [ 0 , 1 ] p \in [0,1] ,minimum value of p = 0 ) \Large{\boxed{\color{#3D99F6}{\boxed{\color{#D61F06}{p=0)}}}}}


Note : There is no restriction on equal roots.

And the max value of p is 1. BTW you could have used the cubic discriminant.

Department 8 - 5 years, 3 months ago

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I love graphs.That's why....

Mehul Chaturvedi - 5 years, 3 months ago
Dhruv Joshi
Mar 20, 2017

Easy to see that if p is negative then the equation is giving always a negative value so cannot be 0 any negative x. So p is non negative .another simple observation for p=0 shows p=0 is least required

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