A ball thrown in the horizontal direction bounces off the ground, as illustrated in the diagram. Eventually, the ball stops bouncing and rolls on the ground. What is the total bounced distance x ∞ , rounded to the nearest integer?
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One small typo. When summing up the geometric series, the first term ( n = 0 ) is missing and should be subtracted. But the first term is 1, not 0.9. So the sum is 1 − 0 . 9 1 − 1 rather than 1 − 0 . 9 1 − 0 . 9 .
That reduces the total distance slightly: x ∞ = 2 . 6 s m ⋅ 0 . 4 s ⋅ 1 9 . 0 = 1 9 . 7 6 m .
I think there are some errors in the computation above. The answer should be around 106 m.
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You're right, there are some mistakes. I corrected the solution and set new numbers in the task, so hopefully now everything fits. Thanks for the hint.
Hey Markus, you can write the time between each bounce as 5 v (where v is the vertical velocity at the start of the bounce), and this gives a geometric series for the total time. But that gives a distance of 1 9 . 7 6 m instead of 1 9 . 9 6 8 m... just wondering why we differ? Also doesn't the series symbolisation means that the up-down bounce distance has a finite limit, whereas the time that it bounces for is still infinite? Cheers
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Time of first bounce is t 0 = g 2 h 0 = 0 . 4 s .
Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the square of velocity, so the velocity after a bounce is v n = 1 − 0 . 1 9 v n − 1 = 0 . 9 v n − 1 . The time spent between the bounce and the highest point is directly proportional to velocity (as v = g t ), so the time spent between points x 1 and x 2 is t 1 = 2 ∗ 0 . 9 t 0 = 0 . 7 2 s (multiplication by two is necessary in the first case, as the ball starts from the top position before the first bounce.
Every other t n = 0 . 9 t n − 1
t 1 , t 2 , . . . is a convergent infinite geometric series, the sum is 1 − 0 . 9 t 1 = 1 0 t 1 = 7 . 2 s
So the bouncing ends after 0 . 4 + 7 . 2 = 7 . 6 s , while the ball travels 7 . 6 ∗ 2 . 6 = 1 9 . 7 6 m horizontal distance.
The ball will roll after this - it doesn't stop, as there are no horizontal forces.
I did it similarly, but I extended the first flight to the left with the ball starting on the ground, so t_1 was 0.8s rather than 0.4. The series 1+0.9+... adds up to 10 which gave me 8s, but then I removed the 0.4s extension. I posted my solution on FB but didn't bother here as it's too similar to yours.
Relevant wiki: 2D Kinematics Problem-solving
My idea is to concentrate on the vertical motion of the ball, and find the total time it is in the air. Once this is found, multiplying it by the given horizontal component of the velocity (2.6) will then give the distance travelled.
Let us work out the total air time for the extended problem in which the trajectory begins from ground level and includes the other half of the first parabolic arc. In other words the ball starts a distance x 1 to the left of the y axis. of course the flight time for this extended problem will be greater than for the actual problem, and we will make an adjustment later.
Suppose the vertical component of the launch velocity is V . The time taken to reach the peak on the y-axis is g V and so the flight time for the first parabola is g 2 V .
For each subsequent parabolic bounce, the vertical component of the launch velocity is reduced by a factor of 1 − 0 . 1 9 = 0 . 9 . Since the flight times are directly proportional to the vertical component of the launch velocities, we can combine this with the previous result to get the total flight time for the extended problem to be
g 2 V ( 1 + 0 . 9 + 0 . 9 2 + 0 . 9 3 + . . . . . . )
Summing the infinite series and setting g = 10, the extended flight time is thus 2V.
Now we can subtract the flight time for half of the first parabola to find the flight time for the actual problem to be
2 V − g V
Setting g=10 this gives a flight time of 1 . 9 V
Now we just need the initial upward velociy. This comes from the conservation of energy
2 V 2 = g h and so with g = 10 and h = 0.8 we find V = 4
And so the flight time is 4 × 1 . 9
Multiplying this by the horizontal velocity gives the total bounce distance as
4 × 1 . 9 × 2 . 6 = 1 9 . 7 6
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Relevant wiki: Conservation of Energy
The maximal potential energy after each bounce is reduced to 8 1 % , so that the height h n is reduces by the same factor: E pot , n E pot , n ⇒ h n = m g h n = 0 . 8 1 ⋅ E pot , n − 1 = 0 . 8 1 ⋅ h n − 1 = 0 . 8 1 n ⋅ h 0 The equations of motion for the ball reads x ( t ) y ( t ) = x n + v x t = v y , n t − 2 1 g t 2 with the time t after the last bounce and the initial velocity v y , n . We solve for the maximum point y ( t max ) = h n by zeroing the derivative: d t d y ( t max ) y ( t max ) = v y , n − g t max = ! 0 = 2 g v y , n 2 = h n ⇒ t max ⇒ v y n = g v y , n = 2 g h n Therefore, we can estimate the position of the next bounce: x n + 1 x ∞ = x n + v x ⋅ ( 2 t max ) = x n + 2 v x g 2 h n = v x g 2 h 0 + n = 1 ∑ ∞ 2 v x g 2 h n = v x g 2 h 0 [ 1 + 2 ⋅ n = 1 ∑ ∞ ( 0 . 9 ) n ] = v x g 2 h 0 [ 1 + 2 ⋅ ( 1 − 0 . 9 1 − 0 . 9 ) ] = 2 . 6 s m ⋅ 0 . 4 s ⋅ 1 9 . 2 = 2 0 m Here, we have used the geometric series n = 0 ∑ ∞ q n = 1 − q 1 In other words, the bouncing ball is the symbolization of the geometric series. Although the ball jumps up almost infinitely often on the ground, the times between two jumps become shorter, so that the ball comes to rest after finite time and distance.