Bouncing stacked balls over Mt. Everest

In this cool video, three balls are stacked on top of each other, with the golf ball on the top bouncing 8 times higher than the height it was dropped from.

Now, consider the "ideal" condition where all collisions are perfectly elastic, each ball has a significantly larger mass than the ball above it, and the atmosphere is replaced by a vacuum.

How many balls do we need to stack to shoot the smallest, topmost ball over Mt. Everest (8848 meters) if the toy is dropped from 1 m \SI{1}{\meter} above the floor?

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The answer is 7.

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2 solutions

Tianshuo Hu
May 9, 2018

Designate the lowest ball as B 1 B_1 , the highest ball as B n B_n

For simplicity, assume that every ball separated by a very small distance, so that the relevant bounces happen a short time apart. This assumption isn’t necessary, but it makes for a slightly cleaner solution.

At the precise moment when B 1 B_1 reaches the ground, all of the balls are moving downward with speed v 0 = 2 g h v_0=\sqrt{2gh} . After that, B 1 B_1 will collide with B 2 B_2 , which will collide with B 3 B_3 , and so forth.

We can inductively determine the speed of each ball after it bounces off the one below it.
If B i B_i achieves a speed of v i v_i after bouncing off B i 1 B_{i-1} , then what is the speed of B i + 1 B_{i+1} after it bounces off B i B_i ?
The relative speed of B i + 1 B_{i+1} and B i B_i (right before they bounce) is v 0 + v i v_0 + v_i .
Taking into account the conservation of momentum and B i B_i being significantly larger than B i + 1 B_{i+1} , after colliding with B i + 1 B_{i+1} , B i B_i is still moving upwards at essentially speed v i v_i , so the final upward speed of B i + 1 B_{i+1} is v i + 1 = ( v 0 + v i ) + v i v_{i+1}=(v_0 + v_i) + v_i . Thus, we arrive at:


v i + 1 = v 0 + 2 v i v_{i+1}=v_0+2v_i where v 1 = v 0 v_1=v_0 . This is a geometric series, so we can get :

v n = ( 2 n 1 ) 2 g h v_{n}=(2^{n}-1)\sqrt{2gh}

From conservation of energy, all of the kinetic energy of B n B_n will turn into potential energy at its highest point.
Thus, the highest point B n B_n will bounce to is:

H = ( ( 2 n 1 ) v ) 2 2 g = ( 2 n 1 ) ) 2 h H=\frac{((2^n-1)v)^2}{2g}=(2^n-1))^2h

Note that g g does not appear in this equation so, the highest point will actually be the same on any planet.
If H H is larger than 8848, and we need 2 n 1 > 8848 2^n-1>\sqrt{8848} . Thus arriving at the final answer: n = 7 n=7 , which will bounce the ball to the height of 16129 16129 meters.

Of course, this could only happen in ideal conditions, 3 stacked balls would boost the top ball 49 times the initial height, but in the video, the golf ball only bounced to 8 times its original height (which is still amazing).

This answer is based on Havard Physics Undergraduate Problem Week 9/16/02
Watch the full video on youtube: Stacked ball drop

Michael Mendrin
May 9, 2018

First, we make the simplifying assumption that all the dropped balls have gaps between them, so that only 2 balls are in contact at any given time. We examine what happens when 2 balls collide.

Given masses m 1 > > m 2 m_1>>m_2 , let's assume that they respectively have velocities k v , v kv, -v , where k k is an integer and postive velocity is upwards. Then we know from both conservatiion of kinetic energy and momentum the following equations:

1 2 ( m 1 ( k v ) 2 + m 2 ( v ) 2 = 1 2 ( m 1 ( k v + v 1 ) 2 + m 2 ( v + v 2 ) 2 \dfrac{1}{2}(m_1(kv)^2+m_2(-v)^2 = \dfrac{1}{2}(m_1(kv+v_1)^2+m_2(-v+v_2)^2

m 1 ( k v ) + m 2 ( v ) = m 1 ( k v + v 1 ) + m 2 ( v + v 2 ) m_1(kv)+m_2(-v) = m_1(kv+v_1)+m_2(-v+v_2)

Solving for the unknowns v 1 , v 2 v_1, v_2 , we have

v 1 = 2 ( 1 + k ) m 2 v m 1 + m 2 v_1=-\dfrac{2(1+k)m_2v}{m_1+m_2}

v 2 = 2 ( 1 + k ) m 1 v m 1 + m 2 v_2=\dfrac{2(1+k)m_1v}{m_1+m_2}

In the limiting case where m 1 > > m 2 m_1>>m_2 , we have

v 1 = 0 v_1=0
v 2 = 2 ( 1 + k ) v v_2=2(1+k)v

which means the top ball bounces up at a speed

v 2 v = ( 1 + 2 k ) v v_2-v=(1+2k)v

We need at least an upward speed of 8898 1 v 94 v \sqrt{\dfrac{8898}{1}}v \approx 94v to go higher than Mt Everest, so we look at the ratio for each successive ball, starting with just 1 ball

( 1 + 2 0 ) v = 1 v (1+2\cdot0)v=1v
( 1 + 2 1 ) v = 3 v (1+2\cdot1)v=3v
( 1 + 2 3 ) v = 7 v (1+2\cdot3)v=7v
( 1 + 2 7 ) v = 15 v (1+2\cdot7)v=15v
( 1 + 2 15 ) v = 31 v (1+2\cdot15)v=31v
( 1 + 2 31 ) v = 63 v (1+2\cdot31)v=63v
( 1 + 2 63 ) v = 127 v (1+2\cdot63)v=127v

so 7 balls are needed for the job

The reason why the video only shows an 800% gain in altitude with 3 balls is because the ratio of weight of successive balls isn't significantly large, and certainly not at the limiting case.

There are many reasons for a less gain in altitude, including ratio of weight, drag of air, and each collision not being perfectly elastic.

Tianshuo Hu - 3 years, 1 month ago

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