Broken Ankles

When jumping off a ledge feet-first, why is it advisable to bend your knees on landing on the ground?

To reduce the change in your velocity You can exert a greater force on the ground with bent knees It increases the time over which you decelerate

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Steven Yuan
Jun 10, 2017

Relevant wiki: Newton's Second Law

Recall that impulse is equal to both the average force times time and the change in momentum. The force that slows you down is the normal force from the ground (and not a downward-acting force, which rules out a choice). We want to minimize this force in order to avoid being injured.

Since the change in velocity is always constant (you go from some non-zero velocity to zero velocity), and your mass always remains the same, the change in momentum is always constant. (This rules out the change in velocity choice.)

That means the only way to reduce the force your feet feel is by increasing the time your feet are in contact with the ground , which can be done by bending your knees as soon as you land on the ground. Indeed, force and time are in an inverse relationship, so an increase in time means a decrease in force, and thus a much safer jump for you.

Why are we trying to minimize the maximum force during the fall? How harmful would it be if we experience a large force but for a very small time?

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but basically, if the force were too large, then the legs and ankles won't be able to completely absorb it, and they might break or get injured as a result (hence the title of the problem).

A shorter time interval does not always mean the impact of the force is less.

Steven Yuan - 3 years, 11 months ago

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I was thinking about how would the outcome would change if we decrease the time interval keeping the change in momentum fixed. We want to spread out the change in momentum over a large interval to minimize the damage.

This means that a force of 1 GigaNewton acting for 1 nanosecond is much more dangerous than 1 Newton acting for one second even though the impulse is same for both.

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 11 months ago

You bend your knees to reduce damage to your joints caused by jarring.

Marilyn Rushworth - 3 years, 11 months ago

Parkour says to land back straight with knees bent, then you roll out.

Michael Moon - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Rolling is also another way of redistributing the impact in your body on a greater portion.

Rohit Gupta - 3 years, 11 months ago

@Steven Yuan This is all true but... the only reason I care enough to bend my knees when landing is because if you don't you hurt your knees. why would I care about the time in which I decelerate?

Rhys Denno - 3 years, 11 months ago

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In order to not injure anything, you must lessen the force you feel. This can be done by increasing the time interval over which you decelerate. So, the two things you mentioned are basically equivalent.

Steven Yuan - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Yes, you are right that if you don't bend your knees, the landing will hurt you much more and the reason is bending the knees would increase the time and hence decrease the force.

Rohit Gupta - 3 years, 11 months ago
ZigZag Shammo
Jun 19, 2017

to maintain impulse we increase the time duration so that force decreases .as f=ma .also acceleration downs.

How does bending legs increase Δ t \Delta t ?

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 11 months ago

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If you jump to the ground from any height, you bend your knees upon impact, extending the time of collision and lessening the impact force. for more example-------- 1) A boxer moves away from a punch, extending the time of impact and lessening the force. 2) Automobiles are made to collapse upon impact, extending the time of collision and lessening the impact force.

ZigZag Shammo - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Thanks :) I understand now

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 11 months ago

It cannot be change in velocity because bending your knees will not make a difference on how fast you hit the ground, it will however increase the amount of time that you are moving, (if you don't bend your knees you would come to an abrupt stop) thereby decreasing the velocity (v=d/t) and force your legs will need to absorb in order to stop you.

Right, by bending knees, we can come to a stop more gradually and experience a smaller force from the ground.

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 11 months ago

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