Can it be?

Geometry Level 1

Can there exist positive real numbers a , b , c a,b,c such that they satisfy a 2 + b 2 = c 2 a^2+b^2=c^2 and they are not the three side lengths of a triangle?

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5 solutions

Jordan Cahn
Apr 8, 2019

Assume that a 2 + b 2 = c 2 a^2+b^2=c^2 is satisfied for positive real a a , b b and c c . Then a < c a<c and b < c b<c . Clearly, then, b + c > c > a b+c>c>a and a + c > c > b a+c>c>b . Thus, it only remains to show that a + b > c a+b>c and we will have a triangle. But ( a + b ) 2 = a 2 + 2 a b + b 2 = c 2 + 2 a b > c 2 (a+b)^2 = a^2+2ab+b^2 = c^2+2ab>c^2 . So a + b > c a+b>c .

Nice solution. :D

Dan Czinege - 2 years, 2 months ago

Just a typo in last equation, a 2 + 2 a b + b 2 = c 2 + 2 a b > c 2 a^2+2ab+b^2=c^2+2ab>c^2

akash patalwanshi - 2 years, 2 months ago

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Fixed. Thanks!

Jordan Cahn - 2 years, 2 months ago

But 1,0 and 1 are possible without being sides of triangle.

arc liner - 2 years, 1 month ago

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0 is not a positive number.

Jordan Cahn - 2 years, 1 month ago

The problem said that all the numbers are positive

Tanner Hume - 2 years, 1 month ago

The solution is correct in 2 dimensions, what would happen if we are in the 3rd or 4th dimension ?

Leïla Rachidy - 1 year, 4 months ago

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What is the relationship between dimension and this problem?

Hiviru Palihena - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

The easiest solution is to think that if any three positive numbers a,b and c satisfy the condition a² + b² = c², then they are the sides of a right angled triangle (Also known as the converse of Pythagoras theorem). Therefore three such numbers will always form a triangle.

MITH JAIN - 1 year ago

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I agree with you and I used the same way to choose my answer

Hiviru Palihena - 11 months, 2 weeks ago

As long as A + B > C which must be proven. Here is a proof by contradiction. Assume A+B< C Then squaring both sides (A+B)^2<C^2, because all are positive real numbers. Expanding: A^2 + 2AB + B^2<C^2 But A^2 + B^2 = C^2 Therefore 2AB<0, thus AB<0 Thus either A or B (but not both) must be negative But A and B are both positive real numbers This is a contradiction, thus assumption is false. QED

Steven Adler - 11 months, 2 weeks ago
Dan Czinege
Apr 6, 2019

So let a,b,c be positive real numbers that satisfy a^2+b^2=c^2 I will make proof by contradiction:
I first asume that it is posible, so I must check 3 options:
1) a+b < c , since a,b,c are positive real numbers I can square both sides of the inequality.
a^2+2ab+b^2 < c^2
a^2+b^2-c^2 < -2ab and since they satisfy a^2+b^2-c^2=0 I can rewrite this as follows
0 < -2ab
ab < 0 and this is contradiction.


2) b+c < a again I can square both sides.
b^2+2bc+c^2 < a^2 now I will add b^2 to both sides of the inequality.
2b^2+2bc < a^2+b^2-c^2
2b^2+2bc < 0 and since 2b^2>0 it must be true that bc < 0 and again this is contradiction.

3) a+c < b square both sides
a^2+2ac+c^2 < b^2 add a^2
2a^2+2ac < a^2+b^2-c^2
2a^2+2ac < 0 so again ac < 0 and this is contradiction.

And we are done.

Sorry for how it is written, but when I posted it, it messed up.

Dan Czinege - 2 years, 2 months ago

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It's ok. It's so helpful. Maybe try to use latex later.

MP Man - 2 years, 2 months ago

This must have happened because you left no line between two of your sentences.

Leave a line after each sentence to make sure they don't get messed up in one line

Vedant Saini - 2 years, 2 months ago

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Yes, that was it, thank you.

Dan Czinege - 2 years, 2 months ago

Good reply @Dan Czinege

Pratyush Dash - 1 year, 9 months ago
Aditya Gupta
Jul 27, 2019

I mean we can simply construct length a, and perpendicular to it, length b. Now, by Pythagoras theorem, the hypotenuse is bounded to be sqrt(a^2+b^2)= c (given). Hence we have given an algorithm to construct a right angled triangle for all a, b, c belonging to positive real numbers.

Tom Verhoeff
May 1, 2019

For given c > 0 c>0 , all points ( a , b ) (a, b) with a , b > 0 a,b>0 and a 2 + b 2 = c 2 a^2+b^2=c^2 lie on the open circle arc with the origin as center and radius c c in the first quadrant. In each case, there exists a triangle (even a right triangle) with side lengths a , b , c a,b,c , viz. with vertices ( 0 , 0 ) (0,0) , ( a , 0 ) (a,0) , and ( a , b ) (a,b) .

Tran Nguyen
Mar 31, 2020

a 2 = c 2 b 2 = ( c + b ) ( c b ) = m × n a^2=c^2-b^2=(c+b)(c-b)=m\times n

If both M and N is larger than a then m × n > a 2 m\times n>a^2

If both M and N is smaller than a then \m\times n<a^2)

Hence c b < a < c + b c-b<a<c+b , the requisites to form a triangle

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