Die Another Day

You are shrunk to the height of a small pebble and thrown into a blender. Your mass is reduced so that your density is the same as usual. The blades start moving in 60 seconds and you'll die if you stay at the bottom. What would you do?

One valid but counterintuitive answer is to jump out of the blender.

Suppose a person of height 1.80 m and mass 60 kg can jump to the height of 60 cm. If this person is shrunk to one thousandth of his original size, how high is he now able to jump in centimeters?

Assumptions

  • The amount of power a human can generate is proportional to the muscle mass m m .


The answer is 60.

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12 solutions

Milly Choochoo
Apr 11, 2014

The person originally had x x amount of energy to put into the jump. After being shrunk, they'll have 1 100 0 3 \frac{1}{1000^3} of that energy, but they'll have 1 100 0 3 \frac{1}{1000^3} of their original mass (actually all that matters is that the mass and energy reduction factor is the same). This means that, although the initial momentum they can achieve by jumping has decreased, their mass compensates for this decrease and allows them to still travel upwards at the same velocity .

Super Smash Brothers taught me well...

100 percent sure that mass goes down with 3rd power of dimension reduction if keeping proportions. mass is one billionth and the 'correct' answer this time may be wrong.

Tomasz Kawala - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Regardless of whether 1000 was volumetric reduction factor or the length scale reduction factor, as long as you reduce the mass and energy by the same factor the result will remain the same.

Milly Choochoo - 3 years, 9 months ago

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Sorry, those are different shrink factors. Volumetric reduction of 1/1000 would mean that each dimension (x,y,z) was reduced by 1/10. Dimensional (x,y, and z) reduction of 1/1000 would reduce volume by 1/(1000^3), or 1 billionth.

Bert Seegmiller - 2 years, 8 months ago

Let me show you why the answer 60cm is WRONG.

Power P=∆E/∆t=(mgh)/∆t

∆t is the time you need from crouched to stretched legs. Let's suppose you accelerate at a constant rate from v0=0 to vMAX over a distance d. vMAX is your velocity just before you leave the ground. That means:

∆t=2d/vMAX

(You get that by saying ∆t=d/vAVERAGE. 0,5•vMAX=vAVERAGE because acceleration is const.)

Also because of conservation of energy:

vMAX=(2gh)^0,5

So:

∆t=2d/(2gh)^0,5

So:

P=[mgh(2gh)^0,5]/[2d]

Solving for h we get:

h=[(Pd✓2)/(m•g^1,5)]^(2/3)

In the problem was supposed that P was proportional to the mass of the muscles. As lengths are supposed to scale by 10^-3, Volumes will scale by 10^-9. Because density remains the same the mass of the muscles scale by 10^-9.

So P scales by 10^-9. As m in the equation above is also scaled by 10^-9 this factor gets cancelled.

BUT d, the distance over which you accelerate with the force of your legs, gets also scaled - by the factor 10^-3.

That means, that h changes by the factor (10^-3)^(2/3)=1/100

So the correct answer is 0,6cm

David B - 3 years, 3 months ago

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Completely agree. Whereas it is clear that the ratio of mass to power remains constant, the tine for which the power is expended, nd therefore the energy is delivered, is reduced by the factor of 1000. Thus the kinetic energy, whis is proportional to the height of the jump is 60cm /1000 = 0.6 cm.

Kimberly Rae - 3 years, 3 months ago

The mass drops with the cube of the dimension, so he will have 1/(1000^3) the muscle mass, so also 1/1,000,000,000 the muscle energy.

Bert Seegmiller - 2 years, 8 months ago

I don't want to be a bad sport, but the initial assumption about power being a function of muscle mass is incorrect, therefore any answers derived from it will also be incorrect. A relevant example would be a Flea. At human scale it could not generate the power to jump 600 x it's own length.

jason walker - 2 years, 5 months ago
Vaibhav Rao
Apr 8, 2014

All the work that goes into lifting a person off the ground comes from their muscles which are made out of cells with a given reserve of energy per cell. Given that the man is shrunken down, his muscles will still have the same density of available energy, let's call this density ρ E \rho_E .

Thus, the energy available to a man of mass m m for jumping will be E ( m ) = ρ E m E(m)=\rho_E m .

With a given kinetic energy E ( m ) E(m) put into his vertical jump, he'll be able to reach the height h = m g / E ( m ) h = mg/E(m) . Substituting our scaling result for E E , we find this height is given by h = g / ρ E h = g/\rho_E , which is independent of the mass of the man!

Thus, no matter how large or small he is, he'll be able to jump to the same height g / ρ E g/\rho_E .

Hence the maximum height ascended (i.e. 60 cm) will be the same in both cases.

Isn't h = E(m)/mg and final result would be h = rho/g , Otherwise it's wrong dimension wise

Rahul Badenkal - 5 years, 11 months ago

The question tells us to assume that the power is proportional to the muscle mass. However, the energy is power * time and the muscles will contract for a shorter time in the case of a shrunken person.

Martin J. Pattison - 4 years, 7 months ago

This would be a fine solution if the original problem hadn't stated that "The amount of power a human can generate is proportional to the muscle mass m."

Energy is not the same thing as power. That is a fundamental distinction which should not be treated so casually when trying to teach principles of mechanics and scaling. Proper treatment of units is especially important when contemplating a scaling problem like this one.

John Stimson - 3 years, 10 months ago
Michael Mendrin
Apr 8, 2014

Let's assume that energy available for work is kM, where M is mass and k is some coefficient. If this is converted into gain in gravitational potential energy, then we know kM = gMh, where g is the gravitational constant, and h is height, which works out to k/g. Hence it's independent of mass.

As a matter of fact, both an African lion and an healthy house cat, in jumping at prey above therm, can reach approximately the same altitude (center of gravity to ground). But the lion's reach is longer, giving it the edge in snatching higher prey.

the solution is fine but yet please explain your assumption..... why are you taking the energy directly proportional to mass ??

Swayam Mukherjee - 7 years, 1 month ago

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I know this is nearly 2 years late, but your question is extremely important. We don't actually know that energy is proportional to mass. This is sort of that same as how people assume the force exerted by a muscle is proportional to its cross-sectional area - it's an assumption (and a logical one). Check out this http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/66455/google-interview-riddle-and-scaling-arguments

Milly Choochoo - 5 years, 6 months ago

Energy = 1/2 * m * v^2

Energy = MgH

Hence proportional to mass

Syed Baqir - 5 years, 9 months ago

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The energy in this problem is purely the "spring" energy in the body, which isn't related to the potential energy nor kinetic energy. It's like saying that a person can have a higher vertical jump (displacement when jumping) purely as a result of their height, which is nonsense - a person's vertical jump is characteristic of their physiology.

Milly Choochoo - 5 years, 6 months ago

Tricky because all we know is that power is proportional to muscle mass. What we would really like is relationship for energy or force but neither is given. Energy = power x time, but how long does it act for? The time it takes to push off. We know length scale is down by 1000 so time can be derived from length/average speed. This seems to be getting all a little too complicated, did author intend to get to simultaneous equations here? Or did they mean energy when they said power?

Andy Boston - 3 years, 10 months ago

Mass is equivalent to volume which has a cubic relationship to height. Colloquially something half the height is half the size so 1000th of the size is one billionth of the mass. If we have a billionth of the mass then a billionth of the power.

Rufus Evison - 2 years, 11 months ago
Brian Egedy
Feb 21, 2016

I think my concern with the solutions to this problem are that they assume that the available energy in the muscles is the sole component that decides how high a person can jump. Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way.

There are two parts to the mechanism of the jump. The first is the available energy in the muscles. The second is the force applied via the legs, which are actually the mechanism of the jump.

Given that the mass will be 1 / 1000 1/1000 of the original, and the energy will be unchanged, I don't see how we can ignore that the legs will be 1 / 1000 1/1000 of the original, thus losing the energy advantage in the loss of mechanical advantage.

If you move a mass M with a lever of length L with some certain energy E, and then use that same energy E to move a mass M / 1000 M/1000 with a lever of length L / 1000 L/1000 , won't the second displacement be 1 / 1000 1/1000 of the original?

I believe the answer is . 06 c m .06 cm , proportional to the length of the legs, not proportional to the energy in the muscles.

This was my logic as well

Shain S - 4 years, 6 months ago

Actually mass doesn't change by 1/1000. The height does. So volume changes by 1/1000000000 as well as mass. But I think you're right that 60 cm isn't the right solution. Here is mine:

Power P=∆E/∆t=(mgh)/∆t

∆t is the time you need from crouched to stretched legs. Let's suppose you accelerate at a constant rate from v0=0 to vMAX over a distance d. vMAX is your velocity just before you leave the ground. That means:

∆t=2d/vMAX

(You get that by saying ∆t=d/vAVERAGE. 0,5•vMAX=vAVERAGE because acceleration is const.)

Also because of conservation of energy:

vMAX=(2gh)^0,5

So:

∆t=2d/(2gh)^0,5

So:

P=[mgh(2gh)^0,5]/[2d]

Solving for h we get:

h=[(Pd✓2)/(m•g^1,5)]^(2/3)

In the problem was supposed that P was proportional to the mass of the muscles. As lengths are supposed to scale by 10^-3, Volumes will scale by 10^-9. Because density remains the same the mass of the muscles scale by 10^-9.

So P scales by 10^-9. As m in the equation above is also scaled by 10^-9 this factor gets cancelled.

BUT d, the distance over which you accelerate with the force of your legs, gets also scaled - by the factor 10^-3.

That means, that h changes by the factor (10^-3)^(2/3)=1/100

So the correct answer is 0,6cm

David B - 3 years, 3 months ago
George Gabriel
Nov 2, 2015

if i'm 190 and jump 60 cm, that means I can jump 3 times less than my height. If i'm reduced to 1000 of my height and still be able to jump 60 cm that would mean I could jump way way more (like 100 times) than my new height, which is practically impossible

Nigel Morris
Aug 25, 2017

It's not clear whether his height is divided by 1,000 or his weight, which initially worried me. However, given that he retains his same density and muscle mass (and assuming we neglect any air resistance effects, which isn't actually stated) it doesn't matter whether his height or his mass is reduced to 1,000th (which will give him different masses and sizes). The equation of force to mass remains the same, so he can still jump 60 cm

David Orrell
Oct 30, 2015

P o w e r = W D t i m e Power = \frac{WD}{time}

The time taken is somewhat irrelevant, as we assume the same time is taken for muscular contraction at both sizes considering the person is the same level of fitness and hence has the same muscle cell density etc.

Therefore the focus is on work done.

W D = f o r c e d i s t a n c e WD = force * distance

The force is equal to the weight force of the person. Let h h be the jump height, and m m be the mass of the person.

W e i g h t = m g = 9.81 m Weight = mg = 9.81m

W D = 9.81 m h WD = 9.81mh

Work done is the energy transferred to GPE here. Each muscle cell can transfer a fixed amount of energy in the given time interval, so halving the number of muscle cells will half the work done.

k W D = 9.81 m h kWD = 9.81mh

Getting back to the question, we know that the muscle mass, like the rest of the body, has been reduced by a factor of 1000. Substituting k k for 1 1000 k \frac{1}{1000}k and m m for 1 1000 m \frac{1}{1000}m , we see:

1 1000 k W D = 1 1000 9.81 m h \frac{1}{1000}kWD = \frac{1}{1000}*9.81mh

Clearly the changes have cancelled each other out, such that the height will be the same always, given that k k and m m are adjusted to the same degree.

Assuming the human wouldn't die of hypothermia, as they are below the size where mammals can function effectively? Google "yoda-world's smallest mouse"

Gabriel Davis - 4 years, 3 months ago
Dirk Muehlner
Aug 26, 2018

The answer 60 cm would be right (to a crude approximation) if the assumption had been that the amount of ENERGY the muscles could produce was proportional to mass. But the problem said POWER. Assume that 1/1000 means by volume or mass, so that the height of the shrunk person would have been reduced to 1/10. He still must take off at the same speed, but has only 1/10 as much time for his muscles to work before he leaves the ground. So he would have to put out 10 times as much power to reach the same speed in that time. This was a bad problem.

Lets consider 2phases: the leg spread and the jump. Since H=(v2^2-v1^2)/2g, and the speed at the top of the jump is 0, then the jump height is proportional to the square of the speed at which the jump starts. Which brings us to the leg spread phase. Its a constant acceleration from speed 0 to Vmax:

a=Δv/Δt=(vmax-v0)/t=vmax/t

And Vmoy=d/t, also Vmoy=Vmax/2 (constant acceleration)

(1) t=2d/vmax

Then,

(2) a=vmax^2/2d

If the power P is the force F x leg displacement d / time

(3) P=Fd/t

And since F=ma Then,

(4) P=mad/t

Completing eq.4 with eq1 and eq2: P=md(vmax^2/2d)/(2d/vmax) P=mvmax^3/4d

Isolating for vmax,

(5) Vmax=[4Pd/m]^(1/3)

And since :

d2/d1=1/1000

ρ1=ρ2

ρ=m/V ( volume)

V2/V1=10e-9

m2/m1=10e-9

P is proportional to the mass

P2/P1=10e-9

Vmax2/Vmax1=[(P2/P1)(m1/m2)(d2/d1)]^(1/3)=[10e-3]^(1/3)=10e-1

H2/H1=[Vmax2/Vmax1]^2=10e-2

So the jump height is 100 times less high (60cm/100=6mm).

The jump proportional to person height is :

(H2/H1)/(T2/T1)= (10e-2)/(10e-3)=10

So 10 times higher proportional to height (not constant).

Dan Hanson
Jan 13, 2019

When pushing off the ground to jump, the full sized person has acceleration a=F/m, giving him an iniital velocity V. The mass and force of the miniaturized person are both reduced by a factor of 1000, so the ratio F/m doesn't change; the tiny person will have the same initial velocity as the full-sized person, and rise to the same maximum height of 60 cm.

This explains the answer as posed in the problem, but I'm not at all convinced that the assumption about muscle mass and power is correct. But I'm not a physiologist, so please feel free to comment.

Amal Hari
Dec 15, 2018

F = m a F=m*a

Let initial * impulse generating acceleration of the person be a i ai , and the corresponding Force=Fi, *

F i = m i a i Fi=mi*ai

**When mass is reduced to to 10^-3 Power generated is also reduced to 10^-3 ( Power proportional to Mass)


Power produced is directly proportional to Force.

Now the impulse generating force of the person can be represented as F = F i 1 0 3 F=Fi*10^-3

Since volume of the person is reduced by 10^-3 the mass should also be reduced by 10^-3 to keep density same.

Then F=mi*10^-3 *a, where a is the impulse generating acceleration .

F i 1 0 3 = m i 1 0 3 a Fi*10^-3=mi*10^-3 * a

a = F i / m i a=Fi/mi

a = a i a=ai

impulse acceleration is same which implies the person will acquire same initial Velocity and initial max height !

David B
Feb 19, 2018

Let me show you why the answer 60cm is WRONG.

Power P=∆E/∆t=(mgh)/∆t

∆t is the time you need from crouched to stretched legs. Let's suppose you accelerate at a constant rate from v0=0 to vMAX over a distance d. vMAX is your velocity just before you leave the ground. That means:

∆t=2d/vMAX

(You get that by saying ∆t=d/vAVERAGE. 0,5•vMAX=vAVERAGE because acceleration is const.)

Also because of conservation of energy:

vMAX=(2gh)^0,5

So:

∆t=2d/(2gh)^0,5

So:

P=[mgh(2gh)^0,5]/[2d]

Solving for h we get:

h=[(Pd✓2)/(m•g^1,5)]^(2/3)

In the problem was supposed that P was proportional to the mass of the muscles. As lengths are supposed to scale by 10^-3, Volumes will scale by 10^-9. Because density remains the same the mass of the muscles scale by 10^-9.

So P scales by 10^-9. As m in the equation above is also scaled by 10^-9 this factor gets cancelled.

BUT d, the distance over which you accelerate with the force of your legs, gets also scaled - by the factor 10^-3.

That means, that h changes by the factor (10^-3)^(2/3)=1/100

So the correct answer is 0,6cm

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