Candy Corn Concentric Circles

Geometry Level 1

In this diagram of four concentric circles, the combined area of the yellow regions is the same as the combined area of the orange and white regions.

z 1 , z 2 , z 3 , z_1, z_2, z_3, and z 4 z_4 are positive integers such that gcd ( z 1 , z 2 , z 3 , z 4 ) = 1 \gcd (z_1,z_2,z_3,z_4) = 1 .

Must it be true that z 1 = z 2 = z 3 = z 4 ? z_1 = z_2 = z_3 = z_4?

Diagram not necessarily drawn to scale. Diagram not necessarily drawn to scale.

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7 solutions

Marco Milanesi
Oct 8, 2018

We note that the areas of the white, yellow and orange regions depend only on z 1 , ( z 2 + z 3 ) , z 4 z_1, (z_2+z_3), z_4 in fact where the sign of equality indicates that the three regions are equivalent in the respective figures, therefore since the quaterne of the form ( a , a , a , a ) (a, a, a, a) a N a\in N work (except for the condition on the gcd), the quaterne of the form ( a , a k , a + k , a ) (a, a-k, a+k, a) a N a\in N k Z k\in Z k < a |k|<a also work, now it is sufficient to choose k such that g c d ( z 1 , z 2 , z 3 , z 4 ) = 1 gcd(z_1, z_2, z_3, z_4)=1 i.e. k = a 1 k=a-1 .

This is one of these moments, i think "Yeah this basically explains it in one sentence...or i do it with my 10 pages long explanation"...

Very good solution!

KisoX . - 2 years, 8 months ago

This is exactly what I did

Abha Vishwakarma - 2 years, 8 months ago

That doesn't work. The greatest common divisor is not 1..You have two numbers the same (a is there twice) so these two numbers obviously have a common divisor a. Sets which do work are (1, 11, 5, 7) or (47, 41, 9, 23) which have no common divisors except 1.

Michael McLaughlin - 2 years, 7 months ago
Andrew Hayes Staff
Oct 3, 2018

Let z 1 = a , z_1=a, z 1 + z 2 + z 3 = b , z_1+z_2+z_3=b, and let z 1 + z 2 + z 3 + z 4 = c . z_1+z_2+z_3+z_4=c. Then, we have:

a 2 + c 2 b 2 = b 2 a 2 c 2 = 2 b 2 2 a 2 c 2 = 2 ( b a ) ( b + a ) \begin{aligned} a^2+c^2-b^2 &= b^2-a^2 \\ c^2 &= 2b^2-2a^2 \\ c^2 &= 2(b-a)(b+a) \end{aligned}

Given that a , a, b , b, and c c are integers, we note the following:

  • ( b a ) ( b + a ) = 2 n 2 , (b-a)(b+a) = 2n^2, where n n is a positive integer.
  • Since ( b a ) ( b + a ) (b-a)(b+a) is even and b b and a a are integers, it follows that ( b a ) (b-a) and ( b + a ) (b+a) must also be even.
  • Then, it follows that ( b a ) ( b + a ) = 8 m 2 , (b-a)(b+a)=8m^2, where m m is a positive integer.

Now a bit of guess-and-check with different values of m m to find a viable solution. With 8 m 2 = 72 , 8m^2=72, ( b a ) = 4 , (b-a) = 4, and ( b + a ) = 18 , (b+a)=18, we have:

a = 7 b = 11 c = 12 \begin{aligned} a &= 7 \\ b &= 11 \\ c &= 12 \end{aligned}

This gives ( z 1 , z 2 , z 3 , z 4 ) = ( 7 , 1 , 3 , 1 ) (z_1,z_2,z_3,z_4)=(7,1,3,1) or ( 7 , 3 , 1 , 1 ) . (7,3,1,1). Thus, it is not necessary that z 1 = z 2 = z 3 = z 4 . z_1=z_2=z_3=z_4.

How (b-a)(b+a)=2n^2 and how b-a and b+a are even

lokesh shingadi - 2 years, 8 months ago

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From before, we have c 2 = 2 ( b a ) ( b + a ) . c^2=2(b-a)(b+a). Since c 2 c^2 is a perfect square, 2 ( b a ) ( b + a ) 2(b-a)(b+a) must also be a perfect square. So ( b a ) ( b + a ) (b-a)(b+a) must contain a factor of 2.

If you sum ( b a ) + ( b + a ) , (b-a)+(b+a), then you get 2 b 2b which is even. Recall that

  • even + odd = odd \text{even}+\text{odd}=\text{odd}
  • even + even = even \text{even}+\text{even}=\text{even}
  • odd + odd = even \text{odd}+\text{odd}=\text{even}

Given that ( b a ) ( b + a ) (b-a)(b+a) is even, both ( b a ) (b-a) and ( b + a ) (b+a) must be even.

Andrew Hayes Staff - 2 years, 8 months ago
Michael Mendrin
Oct 7, 2018

( z 1 , z 2 , z 3 , z 4 ) = ( 2 , 1 , 3 , 2 ) (z_1, z_2, z_3, z_4) = (2,1,3,2) works, so, "No"

I am assuming that z 2 , z 3 , z 4 z_2, z_3, z_4 are distances between circumferences of circles, while r 1 r_1 is the radius of the smallest circle.

Yes, you are correct.

Andy Hayes updated the new version of my diagram, which does not indicate exactly the center point of circles.

Michael Huang - 2 years, 8 months ago
Carlton RileyJr
Oct 10, 2018

Suppose that (a, a, a, a) is a solution and this quanterne satisfies gcd = 1. Since the gcd = a, then a = 1. But by congruence, any multiple of (1, 1, 1, 1) is also a solution. So both hypotheses cannot be true.

I am really confused that no one mentioned this idea in their solution... how come the gcd of 4 numbers is 1 if they are equal? except for the case where all of them are 1?

Nour Harfouch - 2 years, 7 months ago
Ritabrata Roy
Oct 14, 2018

A counterexample tells the option.--- NO

Z1=3, Z2=1 Z3=5 Z4=3

Here note the following, If

      Z1=Z4=k
  And Z3+Z2=2k

  all solution of   (Z1,Z2,Z3,Z4,k)  will satisfy the condition.
Affan Morshed
Oct 12, 2018

I just made a range of counterexamples, if z1=z4 and z1+z4=z2+z3 this will be no different from them all being equal. I, for example, used z1=1000, z2=1, z3=1999 and z4=1000, the only divisor of 1=z1 is 1 so the gcd must be 1 but it makes the same yellow, orange and white spaces as z1=z2=z3=z4=1000 which is just a scaled z1=z2=z3=z4=a for all a, so either this works or z1=z2=z3=z4 is wrong (and hence not true).

Stephen Mellor
Oct 8, 2018

Start with the working solution given, and then increase z 2 z_2 and decrease z 3 z_3 such that z 2 + z 3 z_2 + z_3 remains constant

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