Can't catch the ball

Adventurous Mary tries a new game: she puts on her rollerblades and throws the ball towards the wall, lets it bounce off, catches it again, throws it right back, and so on. She notices a strange thing: after the second throw, she is unable to catch the ball anymore since the ball never reaches her. What is the maximum ratio of Mary's mass to the ball's mass in order for this to happen?

Details and assumptions

  • There is no friction between the rollerblades and the surface, and Mary can slide freely.
  • Mary's first throw is from the rest.
  • The ball bounces elastically from the wall.
  • Mary throws the ball such that it always has the same speed with respect to the ground.
  • Neglect any gravitational influences.


The answer is 3.

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Lucas Sobrinho
May 20, 2014

Since the ball always has the same speed with respect to the ground its momentum Q b a l l = M b a l l . V b a l l Q_{ball} = M_{ball} . V_{ball} doesn't change.

By releasing the object Mary gains speed in the opposite direction, and we get:

Q 0 = 0 = Q M a r y Q b a l l Q_0 = 0 = Q_{Mary} - Q_{ball} Q M a r y = Q b a l l \Leftrightarrow Q_{Mary} = Q_{ball}

The ball collides with the wall and reaches Mary back again, thus:

Q M a r y + b a l l = Q b a l l + Q M a r y = 2 Q b a l l Q_{Mary+ball} = Q_{ball} + Q_{Mary} = 2 Q_{ball}

When throwing the ball for the second time, we have minimally V M a r y , 2 = V b a l l V_{Mary,2} = V_{ball} , then:

Q M a r y + b a l l = Q M a r y , 2 Q b a l l Q_{Mary+ball} = Q_{Mary,2} - Q_{ball} 2. m b a l l . v b a l l = m M a r y . v b a l l m b a l l . v b a l l \Leftrightarrow 2.m_{ball}.v_{ball} = m_{Mary}.v_{ball} - m_{ball}.v_{ball} 2. m b a l l = m M a r y m b a l l \Leftrightarrow 2.m_{ball} = m_{Mary} - m_{ball} 3 = m m a r y m b a l l \Leftrightarrow 3 = \frac{m_{mary}}{m_{ball}}

David Mattingly Staff
May 13, 2014

Suppose Mary's mass is M M and ball's mass in m m . After the first throw, the conservation of momentum says that m V = M V 1 mV = M V_1 . The equation for the second catch and throw is m V + m V = M V 2 m V m V + m V = M V_2 - m V , 3 m V = M V 2 3 m V = M V_2 . If the ball cannot catch up with Mary, its speed has to be at most V 2 V_2 (or smaller). Therefore, the maximum value is M m = 3 \frac{M}{m} = 3 .

Louie Tan Yi Jie
May 20, 2014

Let m1 = mass of Mary and m2 = mass of ball.

Mary throws the ball the first time.

v1 <---Mary Ball---> v2

Conservation of Momentum: m1 v1 = m2 v2

Ball bounces back elastically, i.e. comes back at exactly the same speed but different direction.

v1 <--- Mary Ball <--- v2

Mary catches the ball. Since she is holding on to the ball, they both have the same speed.

v3 <--- Mary Ball <--- v3

Conservation of Momentum: m1 v3 + m2 v3 = m1 v1 + m2 v2

Mary throws the ball a second time.

v4 <--- Mary Ball ---> v5

Conservation of Momentum: m1 v3 + m2 v3 = m1 v4 – m2 v5

It is given in the question that she always throws the ball at the same speed with respect to the ground: v2 = v5

Ball bounces back elastically.

v4 <--- Mary Ball <--- v5

In order for it never to reach Mary, the ball’s velocity must not exceed Mary’s, hence we are looking at v4 = v5 as the limit.

In summary, our system of equations are:

1) m1 v1 = m2 v2

2) m1 v3 + m2 v3 = m1 v1 + m2 v2

3) m1 v3 + m2 v3 = m1 v4 – m2 v5

4) v2 = v5

5) v4 = v5

Solving simultaneously,

(Combining 2 and 3)

6) m1 v1 + m2 v2 = m1 v4 – m2 v5

(Combining 4, 5 and 6)

7) m1 v1 + m2 v5 = m1 v5 – m2 v5

m1 (v1 – v5) = – 2 m2 v5

(Combining 1 and 4)

8) m1 v1 = m2 v5

v1 = m2v5 m1 \frac{\text{m2} \text{v5}}{\text{m1}}

(Combining 7 and 8)

9) m1 ( m2v5 m1 (\frac{\text{m2} \text{v5}}{\text{m1}} – v5) = – 2 m2 v5

m2 v5 – m1 v5 = – 2 m2 v5

3 m2 v5 = m1 v5

m1 m2 \frac{\text{m1}}{\text{m2}} = 3 [Answer]

Nardi Utomo
May 20, 2014

Let we assume: Mary's mass: M Ball's mass : m The velocity of the ball: V The velocity of Mary after the first throw: V'1 The velocity of Mary after the second throw: V'2

After the first throw, with the law of conservation of momentum, we get:

                                          0 = m(-V)+M(V'1)
                                      mV = M(V'1)........................(1)

Then, after the second throw, we get:

                        m(V)+M(V'1)= m(-V)+M(V'2)
                                     2mV= -M(V'1)+M(V'2).............(2)

Now, we must join those two equations and we can form:

                                     2mV= -mV+M(V'2)
                                     3mV= M(V'2)
                                 3V/V'2 = M/m............................(3)

After the second throw, we know that the ball never reached Mary, that means after the second throw the velocity of the ball is lower or equal to the velocity of Mary. To find the maximum ratio of Mary's mass to ball's mass, we need to see equation (3). Because V is constant, so we need the lowest possible value for V'2 to find the maximum value of M/m. Therefore, we take V'2=V because V'2 must be higher or equal to V. So, we can find:

                                                      V'2=V

                                           3V/V'2=M/m
                                            3V/V  =M/m
                                                   3 =M/m

So, the maximal value for M/m is 3.

Let M M be the mass of Mary, m m be the mass of ball, v v be the velocity of Mary, V V be the velocity of the ball which Mary throws initially.

In the first throw, using law of conservation of momentum (since the initial velocities of both the girl and the ball is zero), we infer that m . V = M . v m.V = M.v or V v = M m \frac {V} {v} = \frac {M} {m}

In the second throw, in Mary’s frame of reference she would throw the ball with velocity V V and she herself would move backward with velocity v v . since Mary is already moving with a velocity, v v (due to the first throw) in our frame of reference Mary would now move with a velocity 2 v 2v and the velocity of the ball will be ( V v ) (V-v) .

For the ball to not reach her after the second throw, velocity of the ball reaching Mary must be less than that of Mary. Since the collision with wall is elastic, the ball bounces off the wall after the second collision with a velocity, ( V v ) (V-v) . Which makes ( V v ) 2 v (V-v)\leq 2v . So at the extreme condition: V v = 2 v V-v=2v V = 3 v V v = 3 M m = 3 \Rightarrow V=3v \Rightarrow \frac {V} {v} =3\Rightarrow \frac{M} {m} =3

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